street 440 build?

[Chryco Psycho]

No problem Moper , you do it your way & I will do it my way
 I am sure there are thousands of people running Comp cams that are perfectly happy but have never tried toher cam either , I just know there will never be a comp cam in my engine based on what I have witnessed

[moparniac]

After I break this new mill and and have some fun maybe next winter ill try another cam mfg.   I dont have problems trying different stuff obviously  ...... I just think its more about matching the right parts vs the part name 

[71chally416]

All I can say is when you approach 1" cam lift you really seperate the Men from the Boyz with solid roller cams.  If you spent the money for a custom ground roller and find out it's junk you probably won't have alot of confidence in any other cam a company offers either. If they don't take the time to spark out the grinding wheel on that, they sure as hell won't do it on a $120 hydraulic. That's more the fault of the machinists than the equipment they operate. I suspect Comp has a crew of guys that can't speak english real well that get paid according to how much they produce, or $8 an hour. Just a hunch by a machinist that works on hacked up machined parts every working day and knows the deal in American industry in 2009. We get stuff in that's supposed to be within .0002" and it's .010" off or more.  30% of it ends up in the scrap barrel because it 's undersize and can't be fixed. There's just no substitute for an apprentiship for a machinist. That's usually a 7 year deal starting when you're a teenager. It's just not a job you can learn in a week when you can't even understand English, like landscaping or hanging sheetrock.

[hot440roddin]

At one point in time, I took up 3 years in metal working, did some sheet metal work, smaw, tig, mig, brazing, plasma (fun), oxy/accet cutting torch, mill, lathe, and some others. We actually built a crane in the shop while I was there, mostly out of big I beam. If I remember right, I did better at machine work than the welding....

[71chally416]

I'm the second youngest guy at 54 in the 15 man shop where I work. I learn stuff every day from the awesome crew of journeyman machinists they have. Every one of them has forgotten more than I'll ever know. They never cease to amaze me with the setups they come up with to fix screwed up parts.

[hot440roddin]

My computer seems to be having issues, I almost had a message typed out, then it just went blank. Man that makes me a bit mad, took a few minutes to get it typed up, so I guess I'll try again, does it again and it's going out the window, lol.
As I was saying.... I'm still searching around for parts (mostly comparing prices). I've decided for a build like this:
Forged pistons, light weight flat top style, hopefully full floating
Lunati VooDoo #60303 with matching springs and such
Factory crank
Factory rods, or replacement with factory spec's
Trying to get my hands on a Holley Street Dominator intake
850 cfm QFT or Proform carb
Mopar dist, MSD street fire wires, MSD Blaster 2 coil, Autolite plugs
Tubular headers
double roller timing chain
ARP Hardware, Stage 8 Harware for the exhaust
Mopar Performance aluminum water pump housing & Milodon HV aluminum wp
Ect ect ect
My question is, with there being so many piston manufactures out there now for Mopar pistons, which one might be the best choice? I've looked into the KB Forged pistons, the 440 Source pistons, Ross, Diamond, JE, and others, but which one would be my best bet? I've contacted a few of the manufactures seeing what they have to offer for my application. Anyway, was wondering what you think of this piston?
http://www.jepistons.com/cat/je/auto/mopar/440-440_wedge_flat_top.shtml   
part # 213466
The "listed" combustion chamber cc of the supposed 452 heads that are on this motor I have is 88cc, but as I've read, that could be off a bit...

[Chryco Psycho]

JE , Ross , Wiseco & Diamond are all top quality parts
 I would be looking at a 9.8 : 1 piston using the 90 cc head

[hot440roddin]

Well, once again, it's done the whole clearing out of the info that I've typed, I was going to try and put the piston info that on JE's site, but that didn't happen. The one that I listed above does list a 9.8:1 compression with a 90cc head....

I thought of a way to paste the info up, without loosing all that I've typed again.... Here is the info on the JE piston:
440 Series
Std Bore: 4.320
Ring package designed for: 1/16, 1/16, 3/16 Rings
Part #213466
CID:  446
Bore: 4.350 
Stroke: 3.750 
Rod Length.: 6.766
Block Ht.: 10.699 
Comp. Ht.: 2.058        
Head Cubic Centimeters Compression Ratio;
73cc: 11.5 
80cc: 10.7 
90cc: 9.8 
Dome Vol.: -5cc's
Gram Wt.: 636 grams
Footnote: H
Oversize: 0.030 
Recommended Ring Set: J10008-4350-5

H     Indicates 1.094 Pin Diameter

[moper]

Any of those pistons would be fine for your use. J&E makes a very good piston, I might venture to say probably money wise more than you need too. KB and 440Source are the same parts. Diamond is my forged piston of choice for a street car and street/strip when I need a forged piston.

[Chryco Psycho]

i though you were using iron 88-90 cc heads ?

[hot440roddin]

The heads should be the 452 casting. They are listed as a factory 88cc head. I listed all compression ratios above because that is what was on their site. The 90cc listing is a 9.8:1 compression. I still am not sure which head gasket, well, gasket kit I'm going to go with, so I do not know the compressed thickness, nor bore diameter of the head gasket..

[moper]

The most important things to have KNOWN are the chamber size (finished..not published), and the final deck height of the block. Those you wont really know until you measure during the process. I spec a zero or positive deck on all my builds, but that height measurement will be different depending on the piston used. Mopar chambers are always larger than published, by at lease 2-3ccs. Also, when a valve job is done, if the valves are not replaced, the chamber may get even larger. I would budget some cash to mill the heads down and get them where you want them, and tell the shop the deck height you need to pistons to be at so they can deck it properly.

[hot440roddin]

Also need to find a good machine shop around here, I've been told that it's Car Quest for this area.... There is a place called Hi-Tech, but it seems as if there's hardly anyone ever there... The only other machine shop that I know of is Albany Engine Re-builders, but from I've been told, they're no longer worth a fuss...

Just out of curiosity, which one of these two would be a better bet for?
1: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRG-5994/
-or-
2: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CGT-PRO1001T/
Each is a little different, and this is getting a little ahead, but would be nice to know what to get..... I'm not worried about oil pan gaskets, I have a new windage tray that came with two new gaskets. As for exhaust gaskets, I've got two new sets of those... They came with the headers, then I bought a more factory type gasket to be able to double them up, still need to get some other things....

[Chryco Psycho]

Cometic & Felpro have the best gasket technology

[moper]

Where are you located? That sometimes helps to find places that you can use.