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Offline Belgium Cuda

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Different door and fenders?
« on: September 05, 2009 - 01:24:34 PM »
I seems to have a big problem with the gap between the drivers door and fender. I don't see how I could
adjust it without creating a problem somewhere else. It's a convertible that propably had an accident in the past
because the door is from a 2dr and the bumperbrackets are welded to the frame. Now, are there differences
between conv doors and 2dr cardoors? Differences between 70-74? Fenderdifferences between models/years?
I would like to solve this before I tear the car apart.

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009 - 11:33:13 PM »
convertable doors were different having the strikers at the top of the doors
 the 70 & 71 were different in the way the window felt trim attaches , 70 clipped in 71 screwed in
 the front fenders were also different between 70 -71 , there were a number of changes , the most obvious is th enotch at the front lip of the fender under the hood

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009 - 06:56:07 AM »
Thanks Neal :cheers: I add some pics to show the problem and also some from under the hood were you
can see the radiatorsupport have had some real BS repair together with the inner fender.

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2009 - 06:57:57 AM »
Some moore.

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2009 - 11:09:44 AM »
Your core support looks like paper mache.  I'd say that thing got crunched pretty good.  Have you had it on a frame puller or taken measurements to see if the frame is tweaked?

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009 - 12:24:22 PM »
Your core support looks like paper mache.  I'd say that thing got crunched pretty good.  Have you had it on a frame puller or taken measurements to see if the frame is tweaked?

No I havn't, don't know if it's better to disassemble the car first?

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009 - 02:56:35 PM »
I wouldn`t worry too much about the gaps at this point.  I`d say you could get that done pretty well, but you have to know if if the frame is straight first.  Looks like it took a serious hit...  If the measurements are within tolerances ,I would cut off the inner fenders and coil support, get all new bodyparts lined up before welding anything, and go from there. If measurements are not within tolerances, ask the bodyshop that will pull the frame if they want it with all the parts on or not, before you start cutting.
I have a shop manual with all measurements if needed.
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009 - 10:40:30 AM »
 I would suspect the inner fender and/or the core support are too far forward. Possibly someone already pulled the area forward.

  Hood could go back (towards the windshield) also. 

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009 - 02:02:54 PM »
Thanks guys :2thumbs: Would testfitting another K-frame be a way of checking if the framerails are OK? :clueless:
(Apart from meassuring ofcourse)

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009 - 12:27:06 PM »
As you can see on the pic the problem is that the door is to "short". the fender can't move further towards the door because of the rockerpanel. i meassured the driversdorr to be 1/8" shorter then the passdoor.
Could anyone confirm that a HT door is shorter then a convertible door? Should I change doorskin? :clueless:

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009 - 12:57:05 PM »
I wonder if that 1/8" isn`t within factory tolerances...  :clueless:
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009 - 01:16:06 PM »
Hey Dutch back in the day I asked a Chrysler rep about the fit and finish on the Ebodies and others.  He said they did not care how they fit together.  He said that 9 out of  10 would walk away but that one would buy it.  So most likely they did not care about the 1/8 gap.
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009 - 01:30:47 PM »
Are your quarter panels original, or have they been replaced in the past.  If so, could the body shop not have supported the body correctly when replacing them, allowing the door opening to spread apart?  Or, they could have pulled back the lip in the opening to get the quarter to fit.  This would give the appearance that your door is too short.  Is the RH or Passenger side the same?

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009 - 01:46:01 PM »
Like what was said earlier, have the car put on a frame machine and check to make sure it's straight.  If it isn't, make it straight.  Once that is done you can take it apart.  The gaps can be set once all the metal work is done and before the bodywork starts.

Right now my Challenger is being gapped.  Rods have been welded onto the sides of the trunk lid, front fenders and doors to get all the gaps the same.  The top of the fenders have also been cut and moved up to match the hood.

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009 - 02:05:47 PM »
How much can/should I remove before I have the car checked for straightness? Can any bodyshop do this or
do they need a special rig? don't know anybody around here with a framestraightenar. :eek4:

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