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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2009 - 02:17:26 PM »
I think you can take everything off.  The points for measurement are all in the frame , but it might be wise to check that with the shop you go to. you can start taking measurements yourself first. To check if all corners of the body have the same hight you will need a flat rig or weldingplate, but you can check the x sizes yourself.
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009 - 02:38:27 PM »
I think you can take everything off.  The points for measurement are all in the frame , but it might be wise to check that with the shop you go to. you can start taking measurements yourself first. To check if all corners of the body have the same hight you will need a flat rig or weldingplate, but you can check the x sizes yourself.

Thanks Bart :cheers: I will start to search for a good bodyshop not to far from here.

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009 - 02:44:46 PM »
if you need frame specs. I can fax or mail them.
If you have a hard time finding a decent bodyshop ,you might want to try Harteveld in Wateringen, just south of the Hague.  They know their mopars.   :working:
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2009 - 01:52:09 PM »
Here are some moore pics of the welding of the brackets and the radiatorsupport. Hopefully the measuring
will tell that the frame is OK but that the repairwork after the accident was a disaster together with a door
that propably fitted good on the car it came from.

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2009 - 07:48:53 PM »
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2009 - 11:35:05 PM »
I hope that it is not the case, but if the front driver rail was pushed in, it could cause the front fender to be gapped.  This would not explain the door issue though, within the door opening on the body.

Keep us posted...  I am curious.   :popcorn:

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2009 - 03:28:09 PM »
Got some measurements from "BIGSCHLUNK" :cheers: and they indicate that my dooropening should be OK.
Maybe I'm naiv and a whishful thinker but can the frame be bent if the driveability of the car is normal
and the frontend parts hasn't been touched for some 20 years? Anyway I hope to find a bodyshop with a bench
really soon.

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2009 - 09:50:42 PM »
I am glad the hear that the door opening is not "out of wack".  :jumping:

Regardless of the "root cause" the corrective action will be a simple one.  I am sure of it.

It also looks like the previous owner(s) had enough sense to leave the front radiator support in place.  Does it still have the car's vin number on it?  I have seen some of these where the vin number was missing as well.

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009 - 12:18:10 PM »
There are some numbers between the weldings and all the rest what's over from the support but I can't
figure them out. The cowl, fendertag and vinplate match so I should be OK, I need a new radiatorsupport
anyway. :grinyes:

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2009 - 10:07:53 PM »
Per, this is a tough call.
1.) your core support and drivers side inner framerail/splashshiel have definitely taken a good hit. It may be relatively local to that area, but it is unlikely. Many times the framerail kinks just forward of the firewall on the side of the framerail that faces the engine/exhaust.  I have seen this first hand, so there is a good way to check before you dismantle the car.
A.)Get the car up in the air, high enough to get under it. If your engine is removed it's easy, but if it's not, follow these simple directions.
B.) look at the inside surfaces of the framerails, and compare them closely, with your hands, eyes, and pictures if you can. If there are no differences, then consider yourself lucky.
C.) if you do find discepancies, mark them with a wax pencil/ oil crayon.
D.) with your body manual(service manual/shop manual, etc)
chart/record your measurements on the front end alone.
E.) compare the measurements. If the measurements are off 1/2" (15mm) or more, it is time to visit the frame shop

2.) cars built in the 60s/70s had HUGE tolerances,(1/8" to 1/2")
mainly because cars were assembled by humaans and manual fixtures. Gap quality
did not become prevalant to the mid-late 80s. Most of the time, panel fit was nominal, meaning the gaps were closer to the 1/2" side.

3.) many parts will display a misbuild because the panels built 1/4" here, 1/2" there, leaving huge gaps. Not to worry, it was pretty standard.

As Burdar said, his car is being gapped, which is a very common practice in high dollar/quality restorations. The process omits the nominal gap situation caused by manually fixtured parts from 30 years ago.

So, in summary, check your car first with some close up visuals.
If you do need to remove anything, remove the panels from the front.
Double check your measurements.
Order new parts where necessary.
Remove old parts.
Mark/record where your door hinges are, in case you need to do any door removal or adjustments.
Straighten the frame if needed.
Hang new parts.
Assemble/gap.
Perform body prep with doors and wings on, fully adjusted.

Open a beer and celebrate. You have successfully and correctly fixed a timeless car that will certainly be around a lot longer.


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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2009 - 03:11:24 AM »
Thanks Dan for your comments. :cheers:

Maybe again wishful thinking but, I saw in the AMD catalog that challenger and barracuda has different
bumperbrackets, could it be that they only could get the cuda ones after the accident and that's why they are welded? Since the holepicture differs almost 1" I should be able to see the reason otherwise if it was from a
challenger. To match the holes in the frame you need to lower the brackets so in that case the innerfender and
fender must sit higher but it doesn't seem to do that.

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2009 - 08:23:03 AM »
Did grind off the bumperbrackets today, just don't understand why they had to destroy the original boltholes
by welding sometning into them. :banghead:
The partnumber on the driverside innerone is 2962331 with the number 46229 under that. Anyone with
a partscatalog that can check if that's the correct one?

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2009 - 08:17:39 AM »
Nobody with a -70 and their brackets off who can check their partnumber? :dunno:

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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2009 - 02:32:41 PM »
Found the partscatalog and sadly enough I have the correct bumperbrackets. :'( I hoped for a while
that having the wrong ones would have been the reason for welding them.

Per
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Re: Different door and fenders?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2009 - 03:07:42 PM »
Per,

Maybe when the car was hit in the front it broke or damaged the bolt holes.  So the guys that fixed the front end damage more than likely just welded the bumper brackets back on the car.  You could cut out with a hole saw and weld in new sections from another car to fix the bolt holes.   :2cents: