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Offline rebelcuda73

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What torsion bars to use??
« on: September 09, 2009 - 11:12:23 AM »
I am currently rebuilding a 74 barracuda with a 440 hemi 4speed. The rear end tag say2.76 ,the leaf springs i am installing are 6 leaf P4452985 pentastar040,after market sway bars not sure of the size yet.About 500 hp for the motor street use basicly, poly bushings and such for the front end.I have two sets of torsion bars the first is 774R and 773L 363 UBA I am pretty sure that these are the originals from the car for a 318.The second set is 781L (429) and 780R (419) BPO I was given these and was told they were for a 440 but I don't know if these are .92 or .96 .I know some of you guys like the 1" and some like the .96. I also can get a set of 1" for a great price and then sell the other two sets for what ever I get.What do you guys suggest for the size of the torsion bars and what size for the sway bars front and rear. Thanks Chris




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Re: What torsion bars to use??
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2009 - 11:54:17 AM »
I got this off of another site...hope it helps.  These are the bar sizes and what they were origonally installed in.  The colors on the bars are also listed.


Brown .92 = XHD (hemi)
Silver .90 = HD (440,383,360,340,318)
Orange .86 = Standard (383/2,340,318)
White .89 = 1969 440,383
Blue .87 = 1968-9 340,318.273/225

780R and 781L is a Hemi bar.  My 73 318 Rallye Challenger came with 778 and 779 bars from the factory.  They have a silver paint mark on them so they are the .90 bars that were also installed on 440's.  I would assume your 774 and 773 bars are the .86 standard 318 bars.  If you have the Hemi bars...I would use them.  Maybe they are worth more to someone restoring a Hemi car and you can buy new bars with the money  you get from the sale? 

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Re: What torsion bars to use??
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2009 - 08:42:13 PM »
I put a 440 4 speed setup in my '73. I used the Mopar Performance 'Improved B/RB handling' bars. I believe they are somewhat less than an inch. I don't remember exactly, they have been in there for about 15 years. In the rear I put mopar performance big block springs. I also put in the PST 1 1/8" front and 7/8" rear sway bars. I'm happy with the way this nose heavy car handles but don't expect to out corner any ricers.
Scott
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Re: What torsion bars to use??
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2009 - 09:43:03 PM »
Thanks for the info guys!!And I don't expect to out cornner a ricer.The last mopar i had was a 1970 challenger convertible which I rearched the leafs,monore shocks and 70 and 60 radials.It made a big difference back then in the 80's but now like everyne else I want more power and there is alot of new technolgy. Thanks Chris

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Re: What torsion bars to use??
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009 - 12:25:57 PM »
If your determined to use the parts on hand, by all means use the ,.92 Hemi bars. However, my preference for a street car would be to use .96 for small blocks or 1.0 for big blocks. XV actually specs out 1.12 to 1.16 for their packages, but they also have shocks to match, which is a key part of getting good road feel out of those bigger rates. Off the shelf gabriel/monroe gas shocks will be at their limit of control with .96 and 1.0 bars. Anything beyond that would require a step up in dampers.

Cornering performance is somewhat subjective at times, but I fully expect my old Challenger to out corner a ricer. Steps up in t-bar and s-bar rates, low profile tires, low profile stance, and a modern, radial tire compatible alignment will transform the way your old car feels. Consider this, most  old cars would pull a .75 on the skid pad in their original form, most new sedans pull a high .8.  A performance sedan may be around .95 The XV level 1 kit with lightweight wheels and new rubber will pull a sustained 1.02.  That shows there is still a lot of capability left in these old pieces of iron and Mother's 40 year old design was/is actually pretty good in terms of performance.