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Offline brads70

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012 - 03:58:56 PM »
I've seen a few engines ( camshafts) ruined this season at the stock car track already. Trying to "cheap out" with oil ( box store oil, not high zinc) and not breaking them in correctly..... :(
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2012 - 04:03:26 PM »
I've bought some Joe Gibbs Hot Rod Oil, it says High Zink on it. Haven't tried it yet. http://joegibbsdriven.com/products/highperformance/index.html
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2012 - 04:06:46 PM »
I've bought some Joe Gibbs Hot Rod Oil, it says High Zink on it. Haven't tried it yet. http://joegibbsdriven.com/products/highperformance/index.html


I've heard thats good stuff , as well as Brad Penn, and Valvoline VR-1  Anyone of those 3 I'd be comfortable using.
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Offline cameron2502

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2012 - 07:00:22 PM »
I just bought a blueprint 408 stroker engine and they told me to break it in with Rotella 15W40 triple T, it has the correct amount of Zinc. you can but it anywhere

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2012 - 08:33:24 PM »
except that Rotella  has met the new SN stds & has reduced zinc

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2012 - 08:35:21 PM »
except that Rotella  has met the new SN stds & has reduced zinc

 :iagree:  I noticed that too.  :bricks1:
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2012 - 08:45:47 PM »
i just bought rotella for my new engine, maybe i need to find some zinc additive

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2012 - 09:39:50 AM »
My engine rebuilder recommended I use Rotella T and 1/2 bottle (6 onz.) of "CompCams Engine Break-In Oil Additive" with every oil change.

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2012 - 10:42:39 AM »
My engine rebuilder recommended I use Rotella T and 1/2 bottle (6 onz.) of "CompCams Engine Break-In Oil Additive" with every oil change.


 Same here only a full bottle each oil change? :clueless:
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2012 - 09:31:58 PM »

BluePrint Engines Tech Tip: New flat-tappet BluePrint Engines should be lubricated only with oils having a high concentration of zinc, which is critical to proper break-in. Recommended lubricants providing sufficient zinc are 15W-40 Shell Rotella T or Lucas Oil Break-in Additive added to other 15W-40 oils.

Do not use synthetic oils before completing a 6,000 mile break-in.
 

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Break-in, Installation, Lubrication
 
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In recent years, auto manufacturers have switched to roller camshafts for performance and fuel economy reasons. Combined with the EPA requirements for reduced emissions, this has led to the reduction of zinc dialkyl dithiophosphate (ZDDP) in engine oils. This lower zinc content will not properly lubricate the flat tappet hydraulic lifters used in most BluePrint Engines.
 
Passenger car motor oils had approximately 1200 ppm zinc prior to 2001. In 2001 the zinc was reduced to 1000 ppm and in 2005 reduced again to the current 800 ppm. These are typical zinc levels, API ratings do not stipulate the zinc content, but the oil performance.
 
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The following products are recommended for the 6,000 break-in period for flat-tappet Chevrolet, Chrysler and Ford crate engines from BluePrint Engines:
 ■Shell Rotella T 15W-40
 ■Lucas Oil Break-in Additive #10063 used with any other (not synthetic) oil

Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40 (new API CJ-4) has approximately 1200 ppm zinc. This is 50% more zinc than current passenger car motor oils (SM, GF-4) which typically contain approximately 800 ppm zinc.

i think i will find some lucas break in additive just to be safe

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012 - 09:28:46 PM »
anybody ever seen or used this

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2012 - 11:02:38 AM »
anybody ever seen or used this
Do you know who sells this?
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2012 - 11:59:36 AM »
I get the impression that break-in additive has zinc, evidently to ease wearing during the break-in period.  But just wondering if there are other ingredients in there that may make it undesirable for the long term use?  Is there a consensus here that using break-in additive with every oil change is okay and does, in fact, satisfy the increased protection requirements for these older engines?  Or does it possibly have more zinc than desired for long term use?
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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2012 - 08:12:15 PM »
I think after I use the rest of my Mobil Delvac I'll probably start using either Brad Penn or Joe Gibbs oil, they might even be made by the same manufacturer..

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Re: Engine oil with zinc
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2012 - 08:46:31 PM »
I use this additive:  http://zddppluscentral.com/home