Author Topic: Another cheater using Nitrous???? (Read 11433 times)

71chally416 · « **on:** October 10, 2009 - 03:36:41 PM »

Don't know how many follow NHRA drag racing or how many remember all the accusations hurled at Wayne County and the car Aldermann drove in the early 90's with the B-1 headed 500 cube Wedge motor. It seems some just cannot stand to see Mopar do well and will do anything to diminish what they accomplish. Anyway, thier were some back then that accused them of using Nitrous because they had a camshaft failure that caused a backfire and a broken hoodscoop. They used the small roller cam cores then and they were prone to breakage between the lobes. Bob Glidden for one flat out accused them of cheating because they won the championship 3 years, and of course nobody is smarter than him and nobody could ever run faster.

The truth was they weren't always the fastest car and it was Aldermann's driving skills that bought them the titles, very much the same as Jeg is doing today. Rarely does he have low ET and top MPH. The car was tore down and inspected more than any other car back then simply because they won alot (they don't tear down the losers...) and everybody was pointing fingers and nothing was ever found illegal. They had that Wayne County shop break in and had all of their equipment trashed and that is what knocked them off their perch. Some said "Why couldn't they keep winning if they weren't cheating??" but of course nobody else has ever been in their shoes starting from scratch with a total loss of all their proven motors. Give me 30 minutes in Jeg's shop with a sledge hammer and we'll see how well he makes out, or Edwards or anybody else.

Anyway, the point of this post is Jeg just had a similar backfire and broken hood scoop, the type of incident some total experts like Glidden absolutely 100% verified could only be caused by a Nitrous backfire (Don't know how he has all this knowledge about using the gas if he never used it, but his kid sure goes fast using the stuff..

) We can either taint everything Jeg has accomplished on the racetrack, or finally put all of the bogus bulls*#t about Wayne County and Aldermann to bed forever.
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Changin Gears · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2009 - 03:44:38 PM »

One interesting fact about that whole Pro Stock Dodge/nitrous incident was that the NHRA rule book at the time did not forbid nitrous in pro stock. It did in many other classes but not pro stock. If I remember correctly, Ford was looking to get back into pro stock at the time and a Ford factory rep asked NHRA if it was legal or not. The rule book was then ammended.

So, if the Dodge boys were using nitrous, it was legal.

71chally416 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2009 - 09:33:29 PM »

They weren't using it. Darrel just tree'd everyone on the starting line, like Jeg does now. 1,000lbs of open valve spring pressure times however many valves are open put a lot of strain on a camshaft. If one bad valve will blow a scoop off a hood whadaya think a broken cam will do? And anybody that's seen a Nitrous backfire knows it will LAUNCH the scoop off the hood sometimes 100 ft into the air. Didn't happen with the Wayne County car. The only reason Allen Johnson doesn't dominate the PS class today (at least with ET and MPH) is the disadvantage he has with the body he runs. It takes 35 more HP to push it through the wind than the GM cars in the class. That explains his superior 60 ft time and lower MPH than the top 1-2-3 cars. If and when they ever bag a PS title with the A99 Hemi it will be the 4th engine Chrysler has won a PS Championship with compared to only 2 for GM and Ford.

bb71challenger · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2009 - 10:46:38 PM »

I remember that crap. I had a Chevy buddy who swore thats the only way the backfire could happen. I didnt have an answer for him and kinda had to eat it. Pisses me off to know all this time he was just talking out his ass like most people who cannot stand for Mopar to do well.

71chally416 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2009 - 10:56:50 PM »

Might have had some validity if WJ wasn't always a tad faster and quicker. Aldermann rarely had low ET for a round back then. It was reaction times that won then just like today. Edwards has had the fastest car all year this year but he hasn't won every race. Drag Racing 101.

bb71challenger · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2009 - 11:29:55 PM »

Glidden didnt really get on my nerves mainly because I knew he was part of the Dodge clan at one time when the W2 was young. Warren Johnson on the other hand was annoying as hell. My biggest pet peeve was other car makers blatantly using Dodge technology to run their chasis with. Look at the Top Fuel category. When Toyota can put their name on what is essentially a Mopar engine it becomes a joke. I know technology has come a long way and the engine has evolved but what it evolved from was the 426 Hemi. I used to chuckle seeing Pontiac valve covers with spark plug wires coming out of them.

hebeegbz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2009 - 11:55:43 PM »

wasnt Bob invited to leave nhra after an engine failure at half track that caused nhra to take a look ,It turned out that the oil that was left in the car was loaded with nitro .What happens is nitro laced oil gets up around he ring lands on the up stroke not much but adds 500ths in a close series . But didnt alderman have some unpaid bills resulting in a pizzed off drug store .that said he could follow that straight white line .

bb71challenger · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2009 - 12:06:11 AM »

I know Alderman got in trouble with cocaine. Heck, everyone with enough money got into trouble with cocaine in the 80's lol. Man Darrel was a beast on the starting line though. He consistently had the best reaction times that I have ever seen.

71chally416 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2009 - 12:38:30 AM »

Yep, Aldermann was banned from racing for a year. During that year their team did not win the championship with a different driver but won yet another championship when he returned which proves he was the difference. A PS Motorcycle driver was just suspended just a week or two ago for "banned substances". Nothing new in Motorsports.

AARCUDADEN · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2009 - 12:45:08 AM »

I had heard at one point in time Glidden hisself had used nitrous back in his winning days

thedodgeboys · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2009 - 07:00:47 AM »

Must be nitrous

71chally416 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2009 - 12:30:45 PM »

Back in the day Glidden was the one guy that seemed to have the whole field covered by a tenth or more consistently with a combo nobody else could ever make competitive, so ..

He certainly wouldn't have all the wins and championships he has with his driving skill.

67vertman · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2009 - 12:56:05 PM »

It seems that in Pro Stock that dominance come in cycles, Bob Glidden, Warren Johnson, Darrel Alderman, Greg Anderson and now Jeggy. No one accused Greg of cheating when he set the record for most win in a season, or won back to back to back championships.

NHRA drivers and their teams are always pushing the limits of the rules, and when they find something that gives them more power or speed, they dominate until the other teams catch up. With the officials watching as closely as they are these days, true cheating, e.g. running nitrous, trick fuels, over size motors just doesn�t happen these days, in the old days yes, know no. If you call innovation and stretching the rules cheating, then almost ever team in NHRA is guilty of cheating.

71chally416 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2009 - 01:40:51 PM »

Ask Ronnie Sox' ghost about how Wally Parks felt about Chryslers dominance in Pro Stock. He was even quoted as saying "If you have an Italian restaurant you don't serve Chinese food" (or something to that effect ) meaning most of thre fans were for GM, and that "NHRA doesn't need any particular car manufactuer to participate". He just flat out didn't like Chrysler. So with that being a verified fact that he did nothing to dispell we should all believe that he turned his head while cheating was going on with a Chrysler team during three championships in the early 90's? Look over the history of the sport. They factored the Hemi right out of competition in the early 70's, allowed Bill Jenkins to run a totally illegal car with a tube frame that instantly quadrupeled what a PS car cost to build and forever ended any semblance of "Stock" and then changed the rules to 500 cubes to eliminate the 340 and 351C after Glidden dominated the class with his Arrow. Where does anybody see any sign of anything but pro GM bias there? Ya have to be retarded to think he did anything but screw Chrysler (and Ford) just for having superior hardware. Ditto with Nascar who is run by former a former GM exec. It isn't enough GM entries always outnumber everyone else, they have to have the rules slanted for them too? Even so, Chrysler is the only company that has won PS championships with 3 different motors and Petty holds about every record worth having in Nascar.

Look at Jimmy Johnson in Nascar. No crew chief in the sport has been suspended for cheating more than his. If it walks like a duck....

hebeegbz · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2009 - 03:57:44 PM »

Quote from: 71chally416 on October 11, 2009 - 01:40:51 PM

Ask Ronnie Sox' ghost about how Wally Parks felt about Chryslers dominance in Pro Stock. He was even quoted as saying "If you have an Italian restaurant you don't serve Chinese food" (or something to that effect ) meaning most of thre fans were for GM, and that "NHRA doesn't need any particular car manufactuer to participate". He just flat out didn't like Chrysler. So with that being a verified fact that he did nothing to dispell we should all believe that he turned his head while cheating was going on with a Chrysler team during three championships in the early 90's? Look over the history of the sport. They factored the Hemi right out of competition in the early 70's, allowed Bill Jenkins to run a totally illegal car with a tube frame that instantly quadrupeled what a PS car cost to build and forever ended any semblance of "Stock" and then changed the rules to 500 cubes to eliminate the 340 and 351C after Glidden dominated the class with his Arrow. Where does anybody see any sign of anything but pro GM bias there? Ya have to be retarded to think he did anything but screw Chrysler (and Ford) just for having superior hardware. Ditto with Nascar who is run by former a former GM exec. It isn't enough GM entries always outnumber everyone else, they have to have the rules slanted for them too? Even so, Chrysler is the only company that has won PS championships with 3 different motors and Petty holds about every record worth having in Nascar.

Look at Jimmy Johnson in Nascar. No crew chief in the sport has been suspended for cheating more than his. If it walks like a duck....

Well said . gb

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