5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing

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5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« on: October 21, 2009 - 05:38:50 PM »
I am using a 5.7 in my challenger and was wondering if anyone knows if the viper bellhousing has the same bolt pattern. I want to use the viper t56.   From what I remember the viper v10 is a small block with 2 extra cylinders so it should bolt up.




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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009 - 04:34:11 PM »
Sorry the Viper bell housing does not mount to the back of the 3G HEMI engine.  You need to purchase another bell housing from Quick Time to adapt the Viper T56.  It's a simple deal.  You will have to run a 130 tooth flywheel and your standard 10.95 clutch system from the vendor of your choice.  Roller pilot bearing is a custom unit.  I have not made for the Viper T56. 

Just as a note: I am doing a kit for the T56 Magnum (TR6060) for the E-bodies using the Quick Time Bell all the way through cross member and drive shaft.  Please e-mail me a tony@cms-grp.com or reply here and I will share the details.  Please note that the T56 Magnum is costly with respect to 5 speed conversions and the tunnel surgery is quite extensive.  This is not a direct bolt - not even close.

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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009 - 04:43:17 PM »
I would love to see the details here. 
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009 - 05:29:39 PM »
Why not just put in a good aftermarket 5 speed trans, you have more gear ratios to pick from too.

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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009 - 07:10:36 PM »
Sorry the Viper bell housing does not mount to the back of the 3G HEMI engine.  You need to purchase another bell housing from Quick Time to adapt the Viper T56.  It's a simple deal.  You will have to run a 130 tooth flywheel and your standard 10.95 clutch system from the vendor of your choice.  Roller pilot bearing is a custom unit.  I have not made for the Viper T56. 

Just as a note: I am doing a kit for the T56 Magnum (TR6060) for the E-bodies using the Quick Time Bell all the way through cross member and drive shaft.  Please e-mail me a tony@cms-grp.com or reply here and I will share the details.  Please note that the T56 Magnum is costly with respect to 5 speed conversions and the tunnel surgery is quite extensive.  This is not a direct bolt - not even close.

Tony
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Been There, Done That…
The T56 is a custom pilot bearing deal the viper is a stock mopar part.

I have the t56 magnum (tr6060) in my 70 challenger with the 6.1 hemi it’s not so bad if you don’t mind a little tunnel work and the shifter hole in the center of the hump.
I would love to compare notes some time Tony?

PS. The auto tunnel is a better starting point than the 4 speed hump.


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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2009 - 12:34:08 AM »
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2009 - 11:13:16 AM »
Looks awesome so far.   :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009 - 12:11:45 AM »
looks very nice! Hopefully it doesn't hang too low, may want to "skid" the bottom of the trans just in case you smack it on a bump. Hate to crack the case!
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009 - 09:25:15 AM »
Wow Dodgeboys,   

I see why you didn't need your 4-speed shift rods when you sold them to me.
Looks like the hard part is over.
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009 - 05:05:39 PM »
Wow Dodgeboys,   

I see why you didn't need your 4-speed shift rods when you sold them to me.
Looks like the hard part is over.

Yep
it was lots of head scratching  :banghead: :22yikes: and a little  :swear: :stomp:
But I love it  :bananasmi I have just 300 miles on her now a need to tweek some little things but she's  :burnout:
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009 - 10:42:51 PM »
Im not sure what tranny I am going with so I am looking at options and I thought the viper t56 might have bolted up.  I already have the floor opened up as I was going to use the 5 speed auto but changed my mind to go manual.

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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009 - 09:23:10 AM »
Sorry for the delay in getting these details to you regarding this installation.  Please note that Tremec has release other transmissions and these notes may become obsolete due to input shaft length for various applications.


T56 Magnum to 3G HEMI Mopar including LA engine series
Also covers B / RB engines using a different Quick Time Bell Housing


Bell Housing
The Quick Time bellhousing is the best solution for the Mopar adaptation.  The T56 Magnum transmissions bolt pattern is the same as the T56 LS1 Chevy transmission.  The bell housing part number for the T-56 Magnum to small block Mopar (LA) and 3G HEMI is Quick Time P/N RM6076.

Roller Pilot Bearing
The new Magnum T56 uses the same roller pilot bearing as the Chevy TKO 5 Speeds.  The GM part # is 14061685 and AC Delco is CT1078.  This bearing will have to be press fit into the pilot bearing adaptor just like the Mopars currently do.

Transmission Isolation Mount
Isolation mount – Energy Suspension. The thickness of the energy suspension mount is just a shade over 2.0” (2.022”).  This is the Chevy mount with the 1.50 center to center with 7/16-14 mounting screws required at the mount. 

Transmission Cross Member
Cross member – The E-Body T-56 cross member ready for fabrication.  The pattern is in the waterjet – tooled under Global Overdrive Part Number ME-T56-1001 The isolation is the standard polyurethane unit from Energy Suspension (Chevy – narrow design)  See above.

Speedometer Cable
The T-56 Magnum uses the same speedometer cable as the TKO family of transmissions. Mechanical and Electrical Connections are available on the transmission.  Use the standard E-Body speedometer cable for mechanical applications.

Flywheel and Clutch w/ Hardware
3G Hemi Flywheel – Use existing McLeod unit for the 3G HEMI flywheel – 8 bolt crank flange.  This flywheel is the only one on the market that has the correct diameter bolt holes at this time. 

3G HEMI Flywheel – 130 tooth - Use METRIC Hardware for attached to the crankshaft – Qty. 8  10mm x 21mm long  Grade 12.9  ARP only

Clutch: 10 ½” standard clutch  - Clutch hardware is standard IFI specification grade 8.

Clutch Disc – 1 1/8 -26 spline clutch disc. 

Clutch Alignment Tool – Centerforce 26 spline alignment tool.  (Hawii Racing OR Speedway)

Starter
When using the Quick Time bell housing it is recommended to use the Mopar Performance mini / hi-torque starter.  Stock Mopar location is on the drivers side of the engine.  The trimming of 2 bosses is required on the drivers side of the engine to properly fit and seat the starter.  A small wizzer wheel makes this work easy.

Quick Time is also fitting the starters on the right side (passenger side of the engine) in the dedicated 3G installations and using the stock starters.  (take note)

Output Yoke
31 Spline Ford C6 output shaft yoke – Same as the TKO series.


Hardware – Trans Mounting, Cross Member, Isolation Mount, etc….
The hardware kit for the T-56 Magnum is the same and Classic Mopar B-Body kit.  The offset shifter for the E-Body is not required so use the B-Body Hardware Kit.

Clutch Hydraulics
The use of the Cheverolet (RAM) clutch hydraulics with a Tilton Master Cylinder is to be used and coupled with the bracket for the Mopar E/ B-Bodies.  The bracket is available in two styles, billet and formed steel.   Billet brackets require about 2 weeks for the delivery as they are not a stock item.


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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009 - 08:25:36 PM »
Now that is some great info!

Thanks alot!
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Re: 5.7 Hemi/ viper trans bellhousing
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009 - 06:08:53 PM »
Thanks for the reply lots of good info