Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info

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Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« on: October 25, 2009 - 08:54:01 PM »
I was researching heads to use on my 400 stroker combo and after researching the Mopar Performance Stage VI (6) Cylinder heads here is what I have learned. I am by no means an expert on Mopar engines just thought I’d share what I’ve “dug up” Enjoy!

1st thing! DO NOT USE the first “generation of these castings. ( Early 1990’s)They are junk!  From what I have read Mopar quickly changed the casting process as the first “generation” almost always had cracking problems and leaked water and oil!
These heads can be identified by the casting logo. The new heads have an “M” with a circle around them about 1/2- 5/8 diameter. The junk heads have a larger logo about ¾ “. This is my description looking at a picture  in the book by HP books titled Big Block Mopar Performance.

The “Chapman” head (part # P4876383) is a totally different casting than the Mopar Stage 6 head (part# P4529335)
Mopar Performance parts Stage VI part #’s P4529335 and (P5249579 is the Max wedge/big port version)
“Chapman” Mopar part # is P4876383 and (P4876386 Max Wedge design)
The Chapman heads use longer Valves than the Mopar stage 6 heads. (11/32 stem Dia.).The spring pockets then are higher. The intake valve is bigger on the Chapman heads .The combustion chamber shape is different too.  I’m not totally sure but, when looking at the Chapman combustion chamber it looks like they are of the angle plug design. Here is a link to the Chapman site.   http://www.chapmanracingheads.com/products/prodDetails.asp?pID=42

The Mopar Stage 6 head uses stock valves (3/8 stem Dia.), springs and stock rocker gear. It is also a straight plug design. Uses stock header flanges too. Both the intake and exhaust ports are raised. The amount they are raised is the same amount between a low deck block and a raised block.( about just under .750”)  These heads are advertised to flow 40% more than stock due to their raised ports. If using these heads on a low deck block (eg. 383,400) then you must use a RB intake (eg. 440). From what I’ve read this is a good thing as it gives a little bit bigger intake volume. A modification that looks wise is to mill a small slot from one spring pocket to the next to let oil escape as it builds up as the spring pockets are so deep. Doing this helps the valve seals do their job.  I have heard that HUGE  spring pressures on these heads is not wise as the spring pockets are close to the ports and cracking may be a problem From what I’ve read these heads work great on 475 CID or less. Perfect for a street 451” stroker! I wonder what the raised port design does for header/sparkplug clearances. Looks like it would help?
If using these heads on a 440 then you must use intake spacers.
When reading different articles about this head it gets confusing. Depending on when the article was written it’s hard to distinguish what stage 6 head is being talked about. Chapman of Mopar performance? Also I have read that seven different versions of these heads were at one time available. Now (2009) only 4 part #’s are available from Mopar they are the Chapman regular port and the max wedge ports and the regular Mopar part #’s for regular and Max wedge ports.
If building an “All out” drag racing engine these are most likely not the head for you. There are  probably better choices. But for a street engine or a street strip engine these might be the ticket for you! Again these heads were designed to work best up to 475CID .The DO flow better and give more performance than any stock cast iron head. From what I have read and with talking to engine builders I respect huge ports are great for a drag engine but not so good for the street.

The following is taken from web site listed below:
http://www.allpar.com/history/mopar/performance/heads-for-dodge.html

The last in the saga of MP heads is, in reality, also not quite new: the Stage VI aluminum big-block piece. We covered this head in intimately in the February, 1993 issue, so we won't go into macrodetail here. Suffice to say that the Stage 6 is a thoroughly modern head, penned in-house by Chrysler Engineering. The bare head, P4529335, is designed to use as many stock parts as possible, including valves, rockers, headers; etc., while attaining big numbers. The six's rely on what has to be the cylinder head trick of the decade: since it's well known that raising the intake ports gives the mix a straighter shot at the bowl, the Chrysler crew raised the intake a whole bunch. Uh, special intake manifold required, right? Wrong! Just bolt the heads on your 383/400 low-deck block, then bolt up a stock 440 ("RB") manifold. Trick! (Usage on a 440 requires that set of P5249189 spacers be utilized.)
The real news about the Stage VI is just how much horsepower can be made with them. The limiting factor would seem to be the stock port window, but looks can be deceiving. The crew at Muscle Motors in Lansing, Michigan ((517] 482-4900) has built a Daytona Super Pro car as a rolling test bed for their Stage VI development work. Using a single four barrel carb, the 2200-pound car has gone a best of 8.45 secs. at 161 MPH, without ever seeing the high side of 7,000 RPM. This takes some serious power (over 700 ponies, in fact), which, in turn, takes some equally serious airflow through the heads. While MP offers ported 6s (P5249113), these guys wanted more-much more. How much is much? Well, take a look at this chart (intake).
Valve Lift   0.20   0.30   0.40   0.50   0.60   0.70   0.80
As Cast   81.2   109.6   127.1   134.1   138.2   140.1   142.1
Bowl Ported   85.2   114.6   139.1   150.0   157.9   161.8   166.8
Max Ported   86.9   123.5   151,7   186.7   194.5   199.4   201.7
There is one last version of the Stage 6 head available, and it's for the hardest of hard-core racers only. P4349600 will bring you a bare unmachined (for guides) casting, allowing the daring, creative types to experiment with almost unlimited freedom.
 



The Following is from the web site link below:

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/images/mopp_0608_mopar_cylinder_heads/brodix_cylinder_heads.html
Stage VI Heads
With no less than seven versions of the Stage VI aluminum head displayed in their catalog, Mopar Performance shows they are dedicated to providing engine builders with a head that will meet their needs. These heads are available in bare form, allowing the engine builder to custom port the heads, or in several states of machining all the way up to fully CNC ported units. Port size as cast is either standard or Max Wedge size. The Stage VI heads will work on a healthy street motor, but really come into their own when utilized on high-compression, large ci race engines. They are a 78cc closed chamber design that incorporates 2.18-inch intake and 1.81-inch exhaust valves. The spark plug location is canted toward the exhaust valve to promote efficient combustion. Using these heads does come at a price, however, as offset rockers must be purchased to make them work. Certain Stage VI heads are designed to use an RB intake on a B block. Using a B intake on a B block or an RB intake on an RB block will require intake manifold spacers.

We've used aluminum Stage VI heads on bracket engines with some success, but have found them to perform better with port and bowl work. This bare casting shows a lot of casting flashing that needed to be cleaned up before the head could be installed. Also notice the deep spring pockets unique to the Stage VI casting. These pockets cause the top of the guide to be submerged in oil, necessitating valve seals be used even on race applications.
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009 - 12:57:31 AM »
Great Info !!

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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009 - 01:40:04 AM »
There is one last version of the Stage 6 head available, and it's for the hardest of hard-core racers only. P4349600 will bring you a bare unmachined (for guides) casting, allowing the daring, creative types to experiment with almost unlimited freedom.
Hey Brad, nice write up buddy. :bigsmile:
There is an article in one of the Magazines with an engine shoot out and the Mopar kicked butt and has a pair of Chapmen Stage VI heads on it.

I will try find the article for you.

I actually have a pair of these heads as you stated in your thread :2thumbs: P4349600  :grinyes:
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009 - 08:16:41 AM »
Thanks guys! Please add to or correct if I have something wrong! Neil said that Mancini had them on sale at Carlisle for around $800 a pair for the regular Mopar stage 6. I emiled them to see if they had any left but they didn't. :( So if anyone finds a deal like that let me know! Still hunting!
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009 - 08:26:46 AM »
I found some pictures of the Mopar max wedge head. I belive them to be Mopar part #P5249579
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009 - 08:28:40 AM »
Here you go Brad, i found the article :2thumbs:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/challenge/2003/0405phr_emc3/index.html

I have two sets of Ally Wedge heads, 440 source heads and bare set of Stage VI Mopar heads.













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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009 - 09:13:30 AM »
Looks good Kenny! Do you have plans for those heads or just keeping them for future use? What are the bare unmachined stage 6 worth? Article was a good read too! I'd like to see an article with the Non-max wedge Mopar heads part # P4529335 or have someone with experience with these heads post their comments?
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009 - 07:23:36 AM »
Hey Brad. I have a couple of builds in the pipe line, i am using the 440 source heads on a current build at the moment. It will be a 472ci from a 440 and the Stage VI heads i am planning on using them on a build after this one using a 383 as a base and build a 496ci with it, i got some real radical stuff i want to do on the Stage VI heads.

There is actually a set of bare heads like i bought on e-bay now for around $575 a pair, good buying if you are prepared to do the hard yards to make them to what you want :2thumbs:
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009 - 08:05:42 AM »

There is actually a set of bare heads like i bought on e-bay now for around $575 a pair, good buying if you are prepared to do the hard yards to make them to what you want :2thumbs:
Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it?
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009 - 06:24:16 PM »
I'm looking for the stock port design.If anyone has any leads......?
Kenny where would a guy find blueprints to machine these castings? I have the equipment in my garage ,I just need "a map" I could reverse engineer it from a stock pair of heads but I would rather a set of prints.Thanks for he e-bay link! Weird I typed in that exact title and they never came up?? :clueless:
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009 - 06:29:17 PM »
Hey Brad, i have no idea where you could get the blueprints from :dunno: sorry. I will be working off a stock set myself and tweeking it from there with shuffling the valves around.
Good luck with the auction if you decide to buy them :2thumbs:
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009 - 06:31:00 PM »
Good luck with the auction if you decide to buy them :2thumbs:
I have some "homework" to do before I deside if I'll bid on them?
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009 - 07:41:07 AM »
The ONLY real stage 6's are the chapmans....... the rest is a crapshoot like 440source stuff.........  :2cents:
Just curious ,why do you say that? I'm learning here!
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Re: Mopar Stage VI cylinder head info
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009 - 10:59:02 PM »
Well I pulled the trigger on the semi finished stage 6 heads on E-Bay!
1Bad Mopar I hear what you are saying about the spring pockets, that's why the semi finished heads are what I went for. I can get longer valves from Manley and not cut the spring pockets so deep! Manley makes them for the Indy heads! 5.344" long instead of 4.870"!
This also should allow me to port the roof higher too! :thumbsup:
Can't wait to get them and start machining them!! Handy to have a mill in the garage some days!
Brad
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