FORT HOOD RAMPAGE

[priderocks]

For anyone who truly wants to understand what the world is facing in Islam, I recommend the book "America Alone" by Mark Steyn. This will be one of the most frightening books you will read.

You will see many more such mass killings in America. As Obama bin Laden said of his followers: "you love life, these young men love death".

[The Cuda Guy]

Working on a military base makes you look around a lot and wonder lately.  I wish the shooter could get what he has coming to him, but he can only suffer & die once.

His name is Hasan, he's a Muslim.
USS Cole, World Trade Center, Pentagon, Sgt. Asan Akbar who grenaded 15 soldiers in his own outfit, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot two members of the U.S. military at an Army-Navy Career Center .  Would this be profiling or am I the only one who sees a pattern here ?

P.G.

Not to high jack but I was at Camp PA Kuwaitt when Hassan Akbar threw gernades in tents of sleeping Soldiers.  My boss CPT Christoper Seifert was killed when he was shot in the back by Akbar as be was responding to the explosions.  That was by far the scariest night of my life.  I was 24 at the time and scared about the war and chemical weapons and we were to go into Iraq the next day, we were in the Brigade command post (located in the pad next to the sleep tents) loading boxes and equipment that night for the mission the next day we heard the explosions and then we thought it was in-coming artilery so we put our gas masks on.  By that point most Soldiers had taken cover when we heard the second explosion, my other boss MAJ Kyle Warren looked at me and my buddy SPC Mendoza and said stay here...  He then walked out of the command post and it was like he parted the red sea as the scared Soldiers who were still on the ground seeking cover moved as he bravely cut a trail towards the door.  There was sporatic gunfire which was Akbar sniping at confused Soldiers, then a huge explosion... it turned out a British AF pilot forgot to turn on his Identifier and got shot down by a Patroit missle.  My boss MAJ Kyle Warren later captured SGT Hassan Akbar hiding in a cement bunker.  LTC (R) Kyle Warren is a personal hero of mine and I asked him later on as the war settled down about a month or two later in Karbala, Iraq I asked him why he walked out into the chaos as he did that night, he said that he left it in Gods hands and if it was his time to go then it was his time.  I have never forgot that night and I never will.

Don   

[brads70]

Not to high jack but I was at Camp PA Kuwaitt when Hassan Akbar threw gernades in tents of sleeping Soldiers.  My boss CPT Christoper Seifert was killed when he was shot in the back by Akbar as be was responding to the explosions.  That was by far the scariest night of my life.  I was 24 at the time and scared about the war and chemical weapons and we were to go into Iraq the next day, we were in the Brigade command post (located in the pad next to the sleep tents) loading boxes and equipment that night for the mission the next day we heard the explosions and then we thought it was in-coming artilery so we put our gas masks on.  By that point most Soldiers had taken cover when we heard the second explosion, my other boss MAJ Kyle Warren looked at me and my buddy SPC Mendoza and said stay here...  He then walked out of the command post and it was like he parted the red sea as the scared Soldiers who were still on the ground seeking cover moved as he bravely cut a trail towards the door.  There was sporatic gunfire which was Akbar sniping at confused Soldiers, then a huge explosion... it turned out a British AF pilot forgot to turn on his Identifier and got shot down by a Patroit missle.  My boss MAJ Kyle Warren later captured SGT Hassan Akbar hiding in a cement bunker.  LTC (R) Kyle Warren is a personal hero of mine and I asked him later on as the war settled down about a month or two later in Karbala, Iraq I asked him why he walked out into the chaos as he did that night, he said that he left it in Gods hands and if it was his time to go then it was his time.  I have never forgot that night and I never will.

Don   

Cool story Don! Thanks for sharing! Thanks for all you do!

[hebeegbz]

The crusades were fought over religion.

I'm starting to feel like we shouldn't allow muslims to join our military. I don't care if anyone thinks that's racist or discriminatory or whatever. It's bad enough having to worry about the enemy killing you, much less Sergeant Akbar.  lemming again the crusades were over land wealth and power .the people of the lands fought as leaders wanted .religion was the fuel just like todays islamist its about clerics power not religion .history shows us just another repeat over power and a catayst to move the people.power first religions a by product .

[sadil340]

Not to high jack but I was at Camp PA Kuwaitt when Hassan Akbar threw gernades in tents of sleeping Soldiers.

Don, I remember that well - I tried to imagine what it was like over there. I don't think anyone here in the States that hasn't been in this kind of situation can appreciate it and appreciate what you guys have to go through.

[whitesatinmopar]

I'd say that especially after this any muslem by name or otherwise better be walking around on his tippy toes. I'd think it's almost certain to set off general "revenge" situations. And honestly how can you expect less, if your a rag head maybe you ought to move home. And I don't know how anyone can say that so called religion is not the source of these events.

Thanks for the woman police officer, she hit this jerk with four shots..........too bad they didn't hit his heart and take him out. Guess where she was hit.............in the back, this guy was a coward. He was born and raised in America, so what else but his hateful so called religion pushed him to this? Nothing less than an act of terriorism, pull his plug and let him die.............save a lot of money. But no our politicians think he has rights, he lost his rights when he started shooting helpless U.S. soliders.

Sorry, but this is the way it is. We've lost enough men and women of our armed services looking for some POS rag heads we shouldn't be losing them here on a military base.

[sadil340]

I'd say that especially after this any muslem by name or otherwise better be walking around on his tippy toes. I'd think it's almost certain to set off general "revenge" situations. And honestly how can you expect less, if your a rag head maybe you ought to move home.

I'm very angry about the Ft Hood tragedy too but in my mind that's not the American way of thinking. We look at individuals not groups and assign responsibility based on individual actions. This guy was way messed up (being a psychiatrist doesn't mean normal) and will get his just rewards based on his actions. We didn't tell all Irish people to go home after Timothy McVeigh performed his terrorist act.

Someone in an earlier post mentioned the Crusades. That period in history was about using the cover of religion to extend and consolidate power. Today we have groups hiding behind Islam to promote their own agendas to gain power and they are basically just murderous criminals not religious zealots. From what I understand about Islam is it's like any other religion - basically peaceful but sometimes used in a twisted way to justify criminal actions.

[priderocks]

  The Islam mindset is so utterly foreign to our way of thinking, and that is betrayed by the way we look at the Ft. Hood event. We view it as a tragedy, an act committed by a madman, and our mind reels at the (to us) insanity and evil of the act. To the Muslim, that man was completely rational, and was ridding the world of infidels in accordance with the dictates of the Koran.

Because in true Islam, there are only two types of people- the Muslim, and infidels. You are deceived if you believe the Muslims hate the West because of our gay bars and Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and our economic success. That hate us because we are not Muslims. Sorry folks, that can't-we-all-just-get-along-Rodney King jive does not work with these people.

Don't be deceived by the Muslim groups condemning the act. They are doing what they must to avoid total public scorn and persecution. They don't want an Islamic Manzanar.

Lastly, the Crusades were a response (albeit a misbegotten one) to guess what? Muslim aggression in the capture of Jerusalem. I suspect most people use the Crusades as an excuse for their own unbelief, painting all religions with a broad brush.

[sadil340]

To the Muslim, that man was completely rational, and was ridding the world of infidels in accordance with the dictates of the Koran.

Because in true Islam, there are only two types of people- the Muslim, and infidels. You are deceived if you believe the Muslims hate the West because of our gay bars and Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and our economic success. That hate us because we are not Muslims. Sorry folks, that can't-we-all-just-get-along-Rodney King jive does not work with these people.

I don't think you talk to enough Muslims, you're quoting the talking heads on TV who extrapolate the actions of a few to the larger group to have an easy target for blame. The Muslims that I see quoted in a wide range of forums don't hate the West at all and don't wish violence on anyone. The fanatics get all the press just as the abortion doctor killing anti-abortionists are made to make all anti-abortionists look like nutcases. You have to look beyond what you see on TV.

I think you make a good point when you say that some people paint all religions with a broad brush, that's exactly my point too.

[whitesatinmopar]

  The Islam mindset is so utterly foreign to our way of thinking, and that is betrayed by the way we look at the Ft. Hood event. We view it as a tragedy, an act committed by a madman, and our mind reels at the (to us) insanity and evil of the act. To the Muslim, that man was completely rational, and was ridding the world of infidels in accordance with the dictates of the Koran.

Because in true Islam, there are only two types of people- the Muslim, and infidels. You are deceived if you believe the Muslims hate the West because of our gay bars and Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and our economic success. That hate us because we are not Muslims. Sorry folks, that can't-we-all-just-get-along-Rodney King jive does not work with these people.

Don't be deceived by the Muslim groups condemning the act. They are doing what they must to avoid total public scorn and persecution. They don't want an Islamic Manzanar.

Lastly, the Crusades were a response (albeit a misbegotten one) to guess what? Muslim aggression in the capture of Jerusalem. I suspect most people use the Crusades as an excuse for their own unbelief, painting all religions with a broad brush.

  I'm glad someone else knows a little about history and these so called people. To them no one except those of islam are worthy of life in their mind. And the more vile and violent toward the "infidals" that they are the higher they regard each other. Personally I'm sick of all this politically correct bullsh!t.  I know what I'd like seen done.................but to some I'm a no good d@mn radical. The last time I looked there was  above the white house and every other government building as well as thousands upon thousands of front porches, if they don't like this country and this people  then move out to some hole in their deserts, that's where snakes and other low lifes belong.  Now say I'm no beter than they are, fine, but I didn't attack helpless people, but I do take a stand and draw that "line in the sand".

[cudax34me]

Not to high jack but I was at Camp PA Kuwaitt when Hassan Akbar threw gernades in tents of sleeping Soldiers.  My boss CPT Christoper Seifert was killed when he was shot in the back by Akbar as be was responding to the explosions.  That was by far the scariest night of my life.  I was 24 at the time and scared about the war and chemical weapons and we were to go into Iraq the next day, we were in the Brigade command post (located in the pad next to the sleep tents) loading boxes and equipment that night for the mission the next day we heard the explosions and then we thought it was in-coming artilery so we put our gas masks on.  By that point most Soldiers had taken cover when we heard the second explosion, my other boss MAJ Kyle Warren looked at me and my buddy SPC Mendoza and said stay here...  He then walked out of the command post and it was like he parted the red sea as the scared Soldiers who were still on the ground seeking cover moved as he bravely cut a trail towards the door.  There was sporatic gunfire which was Akbar sniping at confused Soldiers, then a huge explosion... it turned out a British AF pilot forgot to turn on his Identifier and got shot down by a Patroit missle.  My boss MAJ Kyle Warren later captured SGT Hassan Akbar hiding in a cement bunker.  LTC (R) Kyle Warren is a personal hero of mine and I asked him later on as the war settled down about a month or two later in Karbala, Iraq I asked him why he walked out into the chaos as he did that night, he said that he left it in Gods hands and if it was his time to go then it was his time.  I have never forgot that night and I never will.

Don   

I always wondered why he didn't get the justice he really deserved....a field court marshal and a firing squad.
JUst like hassan should have gotten a bullit to the head.Sorry but I can go off the deep end like this sometimes.

[Ornamental]

  Because in true Islam, there are only two types of people- the Muslim, and infidels. You are deceived if you believe the Muslims hate the West because of our gay bars and Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and our economic success. That hate us because we are not Muslims. Sorry folks, that can't-we-all-just-get-along-Rodney King jive does not work with these people.

Actually, it's three types of people. First it's the Muslims. Then there's the Christians and Jews. For they are the People of the Book, having the same god, albeit with different names. They shall be permitted to live amongst the Muslims as long as they know their place and pay their Jizyah, a extra tax for not being muslim. They will be referred to as Dhimmis.
And then there are the heathens; Hindus, Buddists, Zoroastrians, etc, etc.
Otherwise you're basically on the spot. I keep hearing about the peaceful majority of Muslims, where are they when the big effing minority riots in European cities?

Lastly, the Crusades were a response (albeit a misbegotten one) to guess what? Muslim aggression in the capture of Jerusalem. I suspect most people use the Crusades as an excuse for their own unbelief, painting all religions with a broad brush.

Perfectly true. The arab-loving left keeps wailing about the Pals being evicted and should have their land back. Fine. When are the Jews getting Medina back...?


And may I lead your attention to this website?
http://www.gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

[sadil340]

I keep hearing about the peaceful majority of Muslims, where are they when the big effing minority riots in European cities?

Good point. The vast majority of Muslims are peace loving but they need to step up and condemn the fanatical minority that keeps giving them a bad name. Or find their own means of justice to deal with the terrorists.

[lemming303]

I have been to five Arab countries, Jordan, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar. I have met Muslims from all of those places. I fought in Iraq Twice, 6 months in the Invasion and 6 months a year later as a combat replacement. I was in the Marine Corps Infantry, and had plenty of time to get to know the local people, especially our translators. The thing about Muslims is that they will believe whatever their Imam believes. If the Imam says "Westerners are evil. We must try to kill as many as possible.", they will. If he tells them to be a suicide bomber so they can get their 72 virgins, they will. I once asked our translator what he would do if saw a porn video with his sister in it. He said he would cut her into 1000 pieces. He was dead serious too. These people don't think like we do whatsoever. Anyone who believes that they are just like us but with slightly different beliefs is completely wrong. The only people they hate more than Westerners is Jews. And they don't just attack the US, they attack everywhere, from England to Thailand. They even tried to bomb the Vatican because it is a Catholic "stronghold" if you were.

In an elementary school in Southern Baghdad, in an area now called Sadr City (it used to be called Saddam City before the invasion) there was a mural in the main downstairs floor of Iraqi soldiers slaughtering Jews and holding their heads up. It was a very gory, very graphic mural, about 100 feet long and 10 feet tall. This was in an Elementary school. Now tell me these people aren't bred to hate.

[Cuda Commando]

Just been listening on line to the news on Baynews9 in Tampa.It seems that the Fort Hood shooter is now awake and conscious.Hope they dont give him any morphine for pain relief,let him suffer for what he did to innocent people.