3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'

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Offline Rob74dodge

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3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« on: November 14, 2009 - 02:57:44 PM »
Hello all,
 I'm searching for 3spd delay switch for my 74' .
I looked in history for info but came up short on a few things. Also I have tested w/ the manual to ensure the motor, park switch and linkage is good however the turn of the switch only gets a click sometimes. Out of desperation I made them work manually but that's high speed only and no park position.
I serched locally,napa(no pt. number even)ebay guys want up tp 275$ !
Can I run a 2 spd switch or are there any other Chryslers that run a 3spd like our E bodys that I could get a switch from ? Or maybe a rebuilder?
Any help is mucho appriciated as I can't drive my Challenger like I would want due to the seasons intermittent rains and early am foggy mist.  Man I need wipers.
Thanks !!




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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009 - 08:49:25 PM »
Rob- make sure that when you are testing the system that the motor has a good ground and also the metal case of the switch is grounded as well to make it work correctly!

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009 - 09:22:51 PM »
Ya know what,  I don't think that switch is grounded. I'll go over them both and get back .
Thanks a bunch John Mac

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009 - 09:43:25 PM »
10-4 Rob!!!

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009 - 09:45:53 PM »
Hey, PM member Slotts.  He rebuilds them and has them in stock.  You wont find a better one then his.

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009 - 03:01:22 PM »
OK I tested grounds at the motor and grounded the switch. While testing, I was able to make the the wipers work but would only work on Hi spd and as I moved the sw. around therewas interruption and could slow to low spd. The switch seems to be losing contact internally. Also sometimes when they would quit I could turn the ignition off then back on to make them function. :screwy:
I'm going to try and contact slotts for a rebuild on the switch.
How do I contact him through pm? Thankyou guys for the help.

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2009 - 05:25:31 PM »
It sure sounds like your switch has either dirty or worn contacts.

At the top of this page you can click on the "members" tab. You can then do a search for Slotts. Then on the left of his profile you will see an option to contact thru a PM.

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009 - 05:09:23 AM »
Yeah I'm betting on the switch also. I was able to pm Slotts following you direction MEK, thanks for the help.
Thankyou also to Moparal and 71 Deputy.
You all have some great cars.  :ylsuper:

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009 - 06:18:57 AM »
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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009 - 07:28:11 AM »
Hey Rob,  :wave:

I sent you a PM.

Thank you Mike and Alan for the help and referral.  :2thumbs:

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010 - 11:55:53 PM »
If you do not have the proper functions, 99% of the time it is a ground problem. If you experience this, first run a ground wire from the metal housing on switch to the pin switch for dome light in driver’s door jamb. Run switch again. If you still have a  problem  run a ground wire from the wiper motor ground strap to the negative battery post.   Run switch again. If you still experience trouble:

(1) Disconnect motor leads at bulkhead disconnect.
Connect jumper wire from battery positive terminal to  brown and red leads in bulkhead disconnect. Connect a  second jumper from the green lead to ground.  (The ground circuit is completed through the car body). The motor should run continuously. Disconnect leads.

(2) Connect jumper wire from green lead to brown lead. Connect red lead to ground. Connect third jumper wire from battery positive terminal to blue lead. The wiper should run to the park position.

CAUTION: The motor can be damaged if not wired correctly


This is the test procedure I send out with each one of my motors, hope it helps you with your problem.  E bodies are notorious for bad ground to the switch because most of the dash in E bodies is plastic....

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010 - 07:03:51 PM »
OK, you're note spurred me out into the garage to test again.
I did these same tests before w/ my manual.
The motor and park switch pass the test. I tried grounding the switch and grounding the motor also again.
Here's what happens. By turning on the switch the wipers run one speed only, doesn't matter if the sw. is on low or intermitt or hi. When you shut off the switch the motor will stop but will not go to park.
 About about 5-6 seconds after turning the sw. off what I think is the breaker clicks and the switch clicks and the switch will not work the motor at all. Wait a few minutes and you can restart the motor but with the same results, no park position then pops the breaker and no wiper operation.
The switch is in good cond. and passed the ohms test and the mtr passes the tests. ?? Tried the grounds..
Working w/ Slotts before trying to diag this he says my pigtail for the sw. should be different for 74' that is maybe someonne could have changed the harness. I know they worked correctly a few times before. The sw. # is 2770380.  Any ideas?
Thanks again

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2010 - 07:35:38 PM »
 :wave:2770380, aint that the -70 variable speed switch??

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010 - 09:41:48 PM »
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Part #       Application       Description
2770380   66 ply, dod, chry, all, 70-71 valian   switch wiper Var Spd used
2770380   66 ply, dod, chry, all, 70-71 valian   switch wiper Var Spd used
2770380   66 ply, dod, chry, all, 70-71 valian   A+E-BODY VARIABLE SPEED     
                                                               
2770380   E-BODY   WIPER SWITCH VARIABLE
2770380   66 ply, dod, chry, all, 70-71 valian   switch variable speed wiper

OK....usually when a wiper motor will not park it's a fairly simple reason....there are contacts on the underside of the switch plate that cause the circuit to "break" and park.  Basically the same principal as points on a distributor.  You can remove the switch plate, check the points (although I think you're working with a late model switch plate with the humpy cap), you can still run an emery board, emery cloth between the copper flat and the copper arm and make sure you're getting good contact there.  If you're going to do that, please be sure to note where the timing nib is on the left hand side of the switch plate.  That's your timing for your park position.  It's like a little "tit", sorta, that will be at approximately 9 oclock on the housing.  For an E body it should be above the "C" shape....

Sometimes the yellow wire from the winding will break because of lost tensil strength and that will cause it to run in one speed only.  I've had them come to me where the wire is broken in the sleeve but still attached and it makes intermittent contact and causes irratic running behavior.

Those are the first things I look for on a motor when it comes to me for repair with those same type symptoms...I test on a bench where I know my grounds are good and my switch is good and sometimes I get the sucker to run with no problems and have to call the owner and tell em it's running fine for me...then we start to look on their end for the problems...but you can start there??

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Re: 3 spd wiper switch Help on a 74'
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010 - 12:38:52 AM »
Man that is a good rundown of a diag to go on. Thanks. I do believe mine has the humpy cap and I will give this a try tommorow.
 I should mention that the speed the motor will run with the switch is a faster speed than when run through the pigtail in test mode.  Also I can make it park in test mode but not w/ the switch.
Could I be running the wrong switch or pigtail for a 1974 ? The harness looks orig. but I havent trailed it way back in the dash. Curious because of the years of cars you show the 2770380 to fit.
I'll perform those tests and get back.
Thanks a bunch !