A damn tough decision...

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Offline 72hemi

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010 - 02:33:18 PM »
speculation at this point, but it is safe to assume that the price will go up, how much is the question.
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010 - 02:50:53 PM »
Sounds interesting. Any detail on what will be improved for the interior, or pictures of what it will look like?
They haven't released any pictures that I am aware of, but I have read on some credible sources, like Cardomain or redletter dodge maybe, that the interior will be upgraded and a new steering wheel is one of the upgrades.
It has also been announced that there will be some interior color choices, at least 3 or 4, like tan, white, and red, available either later this year or with the 2011's.
It's a shame they are making classics with white stripes now but still the one dark gray interior.  With a white interior and white stripes, the already great looking car would be incredible!
No doubt pricing will be higher with the 6.4, but no numbers yet.  With the auto show season starting, expect more details on enhancements to the Challengers to be coming out soon!
And for what it costs to buy a Challenger in Europe (with duties, shipping, taxes, etc I have heard over 60K US?), it would really make sense to make a trip to the US or Canada and check out and test drive both cars before making such an expensive decision!  Chosing a car based only on magazine articles and pictures is really not enough information to make the decision.  You have to experience it firsthand and see how a car fits you.  A trip here would be cheap compared to buying a car and then later deciding you don't like it!  :2cents:

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010 - 04:00:06 PM »
If you're looking to buy this as a daily driver, I think you will be much happier with the Challenger R/T.  When will you ever be able to use 426 HP vs. 375 HP in the RT?  Plus, as was said before, the trunk in the Camaro is useless and the interior dimensions are pretty tight.  Plus, and I am biased, but it is a goal of mine to have a new Challenger in my garage alongside our 73.  If I ever have the money I will never give another GM a second look (I have owned several before).

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010 - 04:41:31 PM »
my track record with GM has been aweful at best , I barely get around the block without something breaking , they spend their $$ on advertising not engineering

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010 - 07:50:01 PM »
It shouldnt be a tough decision at all.
Its not 1970,its 2010!How often are you going to use the SRT"s horsepower anyway?
Get over the "its too porky" mentality",(again its not 1970,its not supposed to be a 1970 challenger this is 2010)
 I have driven a 09 challenger s/e,and it has plenty of power for me.(if i want horsepower i just break out my 70 coronet 440 4 speed).
I am out of work or i would already be driving one,busting my hump,trying to figure out a way to afford one right now.And all i want is an S/E!
Just get an r/t and be done with it. :2cents:
BTW the camaro is butt  F&*%$^g ugly.
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010 - 08:27:52 PM »
Well, car for car, I would choose the new Challenger over the new Camaro (I own both classics), but if money was a factor, then I would go with the Camaro. 

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010 - 08:51:11 PM »
I have driven the camaro but not the Challenger. The camaro interior is much smaller and the backseat is unuseable for adults. I would agree that an RT is what you might consider.
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010 - 09:00:01 PM »
From this picture you can see that the new Challenger is only slightly bigger than the new Camaro.  Maybe an inch or so higher? And of course, you can see the Camaro has a rear end only a mother could love!  :roflsmiley:
As I stated before, the 5.7 hemi has been around a while now and there are tons of performance parts available for it.  With just a couple things like a cold air intake, a 180° thermostat and a predator 91 octane tune, you are well over 400 hp and driving in comfort and style in a car that will do low 13's or maybe even 12's in the quarter!
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010 - 09:06:32 PM »
Well I have driven both , it is hard to spend the extra for the Chall , I have no clue how GM builds basically the same car in Canduh @ 10 k less than the Chall & Mopar is playing games with the supply of the new Chall , there are orders for over 700 in western Canaduh alone but they are only shipping under 200 , I didn`t get either of them out on a track to really test them , both are adequate cars , I found the Camaro harder to get in & out of being taller , I just cannot get past the looks of of the camaro , the side profile of the car is decent but the front & rear are just butt ugly with the caddy styling . I just couldn`t live with myself owning a GM again

I was at the dealer here in So Cal the other day and there were at least 6 on the lot. 

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010 - 09:09:10 PM »
Here is the only picture I have showing the fronts of the Challenger and the camaro together, sorry it was dark at the cruise by the time I was able to pull over next to the Camaro for pictures.
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010 - 11:35:36 PM »
I have a 71 R/T and an 09 R/T.  I love them both.  Let me give you the pros and cons.

Con's, R/T is heavy, interior is bland, but has touches of classic.

That's about it for the con's.  I LOVE the car.  I'm 6'4", 350ish lbs and I have no problems getting in and out of the car.  I've driven the new Camaro in all trim levels, and while it does have the power (kinda up high, not like the Hemi's early torque).  It is very difficult to get in and out of, rear visability is worse then the Challenger, interior was wrong in so many ways.  Dash looked convuluted, the RS gauges were worthless.

Here is an example, read the two links below, they are long term reviews of the Challenger and Camaro.  This is what they've gotten out of this so far.

When someone starts with the Challenger, they go in disappointed, but come out LOVING the car, when people start with the Camaro they go in LOVING the car, but end up disappointed with it.  They mentioned that the Challenger 99% of the staff loves, and is always out of the driving pool, while the Camaro has sometimes been the last chosen.

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/Vehicles/2009-dodge-challenger-rt/

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/Vehicles/2010-chevrolet-camaro-ss/





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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2010 - 12:19:49 PM »
:nono:  Careful there what you say, now you're bad-mouthing the 'Cuda.   :poopoke:
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2010 - 03:19:29 PM »
Why not get a Challenger R/T, then the cost difference between the Camaro and the Challenger will not be there.
There are lots of performance parts available for the 5.7 and you can easily modify them to get into the 12's.
I have heard many complaints that the interior quality of the Camaro is "cheap".  Also they are more cramped, especially with the sunroof (which when opened looks like a cheap J. C. Whitney bolt on IMO).
The trunks on the Camaros are almost unusable due to their short narrow trunklids.
Looks are subjective, but the Challenger seems to get raves from almost everyone except for, surprisingly, some Mopar guys who gripe about the "slab sides".  I sometimes wonder if their complaints are just sour grapes, they can't afford one so they comfort themselves by nitpicking about the styling?  Everyone else, including Ford and Chevy guys always complement the looks and give Chrysler credit for the best job with the styling.
If you can wait until late summer when the 2011's come out, the interior is supposed to be improved on the Challenger, including a new steering wheel.  And for the SRT there will be a 500hp 6.4 liter engine!  :cooldancing:


I could have not said it better. You're analogy hit the nail square on the head. WELL SPOKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!      :cheers:   I cannot comprehend a Mopar lover to even consider on of those but ugly things.    :2cents:
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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2010 - 07:23:35 PM »
I've been considering a new ride and it won't be a Camaro. I've owned a 68, 69 and 72 z. But man I HATE the look of the new ones!!! I can't help it - I think they are so &%$# ugly. Now, the Challenger I'm real tempted. That's why I joined here, to see what the beast really looks like. Unfortunately I think I'll have to pass. Not enough HP, yet. Probably going to go old school. I'd like to buy an AAR but everyone thinks they are worth 100+ lol... More than likely I'll settle for a 65 396/425 v....

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Re: A damn tough decision...
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2010 - 08:31:29 PM »
I haven't driven either car. I have watched quite a few reviews (shootouts) between the Challenger, Camaro, and Mustang. In any of the tests I have watched its usually Camaro 1st, Mustang 2nd, and Challenger last. The complaints are always the same: feels to heavy, unresponsive steering, and the biggest is the price. Most expensive in the segment.
I am just stating what I have seen in reviews. I am surprised at Chrysler's thinking with pricing. This would seem to be a fairly niche market. I would have thought they would try to be competitive as possible with there pricing. If it was performance I was interested in, I would be upset having to settle for an R/T and then have to dump a bunch of money in upgrades just to get it to stock Camaro #'s. :2cents: