Painting in garage/backyard

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Painting in garage/backyard
« on: February 11, 2010 - 10:24:59 PM »
Would like to hear stories on painting in garage or outside.
 
My concern is pissing off the neighbors with paint fumes going everywhere.
Did you do anything to keep it to a minimum? A filter system?
Mike, Fremont, CA.





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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010 - 10:41:53 PM »
Back a loooong time ago I used to paint in a two bay home garage.
If you want to keep the neighbors from :swear: make a box for the exhaust fan and install furnace filters. This will keep the laundry from changing colors in the neighbor's yard. :roflsmiley:
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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:08:01 PM »
I Remember that Yellowboy or whatever his name is said he painted his car one part at a time.  First the bottom of the car, then the roof and quarters, then the doors ect..... over several weeks.

That way the fumes never really built up in his Garage and one day he rolled his completed car out like it had just been delivered there so his neighbors never knew.
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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:11:13 PM »
All kiddin aside be sure to use a fan with a explosion proof motor everyone!
Saving money on a paint job and losing the house is not good.
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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:28:23 PM »
filter first with fan pulling air out. Sounds safer?
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:32:36 PM »
Not really, the filter would remove the particles but not the flammable vapors.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:36:35 PM »
One thing I have done locally for people is to loan them the paint booth if they want to spray their own car for the first time.
It's good for them to have a good booth and a little help if they get in trouble doesn't hurt either.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:37:58 PM »
Very important that you make sure that the panels are not cold, warm up the garage & car, don't let any cold drafts in while painting or going in or out.   :bigsmile:
This of course means do it inside. I have done both, in a garage & outside.   :2thumbs:
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010 - 11:40:45 PM »
Very important that you make sure that the panels are not cold, warm up the garage & car, don't let any cold drafts in while painting or going in or out.   :bigsmile:
This of course means do it inside. I have done both, in a garage & outside.   :2thumbs:
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Most paint is thermo-set these day's, below 65 degrees the paint won't link up properly.
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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010 - 12:05:06 AM »
If you paint in your garage, use plastic sheeting to seal the rafter, if your garage ceiling is not already dry walled.  There is a lot of dust that can come out of the rafters and settle on your fresh paint if you don’t.
Also use a jumper cable and ground your car to something (water pipe}, the day before you paint it.  Sanding can build up a negative charge in the sheet metal, which if not released can attract dust as well.



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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010 - 12:06:17 AM »
All kiddin aside be sure to use a fan with a explosion proof motor everyone!
Saving money on a paint job and losing the house is not good.
Dave
Realistically, are we talking about a $500.00 fan, minimum? (my google skillz are poor and was not sure if anyone knew of a cheaper path) I am extremely grateful that you mentioned this as this was a detail I had not considered, but makes perfect sense.

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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2010 - 12:21:00 AM »
Found this:

Question
What is an explosion-proof fan? I am building a small spray booth, and all the notes I have seen demand such a fan.

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The electrical motor on an explosion-proof fan is contained, so no sparks can possibly blow your spray room up. They are more expensive than a standard motor but necessary when spraying solvent-based stain and finish.



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Also, the fan is connected to the motor via belt. To build a spray booth on your own, you have to get permits from the EPA and the fire department. You almost must have explosion-proof lights and an explosion-proof electric panel and wiring connecting the spray both.

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You don't always need to go with explosion-proof motors and lights. Depending on the mounting location of the fan, you can use a totally enclosed fan-cooled motor.
In most cases you can use sealed and gasketed light fixtures in booths--it depends on how you mount them and where they are mounted. The lights that come on booths from Devilbiss, Binks, etc, are sealed and gasketed fixtures, called class 1, division 2, as compared to class 1, division 1, which are explosion-proof. The quality of light you get from a sealed and gasketed light is much better than the incandescent explosion-proof light. You can get explosion-proof fluorescents, but they’re expensive.



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I'm also setting up a (safe-as-possible) spray room, but I am not using an explosion proof fan.
My room is 10' x 12' with an 8' ceiling. The fan is a 14" axial fan with a TEFC motor (direct drive). The fan is rated at 2000 CFM and I will have a 48 x 24 filter panel for inlet air. I can add a further 24 x 24 panel if needed, and I will fabricate a filter panel to catch overspray before it gets to the fan.

The size and shape of the exhaust hood will be based on the size of the filter media (an air filter supplier suggests using roll material, cheap and easy to replace as it gets plugged).

I have two sets of basic fluorescent 4 tube fixtures in the room, and the switch is outside. I also have a supplied fresh air system, which uses a helmet.



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I too am using a TEFC motor in a positive pressure airtight booth. I have the fan mounted outside the booth near the top, which keeps the motor and electrical connections out of the booth. The fan blows air into the booth, which raises the pressure inside. The air and fumes escape through four large vents near the floor, which is where the fumes collect.
This is the safest and cheapest way to light the booth: Cut holes in the wall of the booth like windows. Mount glass over the holes from the outside, sealing them perfectly, and then mount lights outside, so they shine in through the glass.
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2010 - 03:18:17 AM »
How about using fan so that it pushes air inside your booth. I think that it is better that way in terms of dust coming in from the outside. The positive pressure inside your booth will ensure that the air allways flows from the booth to outside so the dust particles cannot enter. Thay way you can also use a normal electric motor.

I painted mine on a barn with makeshift booth made from plastic and it went otherwise ok, but I made a mistake and painted it during night. All sorts of insects came crawling towards the lights I had in my booth from the tiniest holes I had in the walls & corners etc. So now I have couple of supersized mosquitos buried in the clear coat  :banghead:

I'll have to respray it when it is up and running.

I also painted my parents 59 dodge royal on our lawn last summer and it went great for the first two coats. During the third coat the wind started to blow and after a while the car looked like a true treehugger mobile. Shining pink covered with pine needles and other crap fallen from the nearby trees  :rofl:

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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2010 - 07:49:24 AM »
As far as the fan being explosion proof, this would be the best but you can also find fans where the motor is belt driven out of the direct path of the fumes. The motor itself is not in the fan it is external. Technically not explosion proof but better. I'm an electrician (now a project manager for an electrical contractor) and to really make the whole thing right, the wiring itself would need to be explosion proof methods and no home painter is probably going to do that!

Farmboy brings up a very good point though. Paint booths have the fans and lights external to the booth for a reason. Look up "curb set" fans. Some of these have the removed motor to the side. Also some squirrel cage fans.

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Re: Painting in garage/backyard
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2010 - 07:58:07 AM »
This post has me thinking about to old days, I painted in some CRUDE settings back years ago. Open lights,open fan,torpedo heater.
It's a miracle I didn't blowup something!
I have my old fan in my shop now to exit exhaust fumes, I'll post a picture later.
From a safety stand point, get the best equipment you can find/afford.
Air movement and temperature is key to the paint applying properly in today's products so consider that when setting up a booth.
Dave