Author Topic: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed? (Read 4134 times)

Carlwalski · « **on:** September 19, 2004 - 03:53:08 AM »

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I am having VERY serious thoughts about converting to a Kiesler 5-Speed.

Does anyone know if they are good, strong and reliable? Orrrrrr should I just look for a A-833?

I'd prefer that extra gear for the highway rpms and it also says on there web sie the there 1st gear is a quicker launching one than the A-833.

Any things I need to check out or look for when converting? My 440ci won't get a shock or die from the conversion will it?

Hope someone can shed some light.

Cheers,
Carl

nivvy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2004 - 11:25:32 AM »

Get the keisler...I almost did but put all the money into the entire engine block...I will be super jealous...lol

I know it says about $2500 for the kit but you also have to buy the entire pedal assembly / z bar etc.....so the told me about $5 grand for the entire change over kit...

8 Pack

4Cruizn · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2004 - 11:39:58 AM »

Do you have to buy their petal assembly if you already have a 4 speed?? I'm going to make the swap soon!!

MAXcuda · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2004 - 11:53:15 AM »

Hey NZ, Ive thought about the same thing, but I decided that I'll go with an A-833 when the time arrives. That decision is for one reason only - $$. If you can afford it I would say go for it! Maybe you know this already, but I thought I would throw this out there. Heres one thing to think about: when they say it will launch harder, thats because the first gear in that transmission is lower (higher number) than the A-833. They have two options for first gear, 3.27 and 2.87. You really want to match the gearing of the transmission with your rear end gearing. No sense in having a granny low gear in the transmission if you're running 3:91's out back. It works like this: multiply the transmission ratio by the rear end ratio to get your final drive ratio. For example: If you have a 833 now and 3:91's, then you take first gear of the 833 (2.65) times your axle ratio (3.91) and you get 10.36, meaning your crankshaft turns over 10.36 times for every revolution of the tires. Take your OD first gear (say, 3.27) and 3.91 and you get 12.79 as your final drive ratio. Quite a bit lower gear! I'm afraid that might feel like the first gear of a school bus on the street. However the 11.22 final drive the 2.87 first gear gives you is probably okay. I used 3.91 as an example because thats what I have. If you have 3.23's then the 3.27 low might be the way to go. Thats what I mean by matching the transmission to the rear end. You want to be able to live with it on the street or else you wont be happy. I'd be interested to know how you like it if you decide to get one!

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2004 - 01:50:41 PM »

I have heard of problems with 2nd gear failing in the Tremec tranny with higher torque of the big blocks also the regular 833 has 2.65 1st gear , but the OD 833 has 3.09 first& is stronger being a Hemi box

Carlwalski · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2004 - 02:24:45 PM »

Hmmmmmm, some very good points. The money is very expensive but do-a-bull.

I've thought about the A-833OD unit quite a bit this may sound odd but I like the sound of saying you have a 4-speed rather than a 5-speed Keisler, just sounds more manly. LOL!!

I've seen a guy on e-Bay who sells a complete e-body setup, pedals etc.........

Whats the deal wioth splines??

What or how many do I want?

Carlwalski · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2004 - 02:32:29 PM »

Here is the link of the E-Body conversion kit.

I don't mind having the 4-speed at all just a few little concerns:

#1 The clutch, are these transmisions heavy or "hard" to drive. Like the lucth is it a "soft" feel or because it's over 30 years old is it heavy and makes for slow changes?

#2 Only worry about changing from a reliable and heavy duty transmission like a TF-727 is will it handle the 440 comfortably?

What else will I need to convert, or is this kit all I'll need?

Thanks,
Carl

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7921779338&category=33733

torredcuda · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2004 - 04:09:36 PM »

I did the swap from a 727 to the 833 and I`m very happy I did.I used a Centerforce clutch and pedal pressure isn`t bad at all and it hooks up good and hard.I have thought about the 5 spd setup but it is a bunch of $$$.The only b!tch I have is too much RPMs at 70-75 mph b/c of the 3.91 gear I`m running.If you stay with a 3.23 or 3.55 gear your 440 will still get off the line decent and give you nice a criusing speed with the 4 speed.

Mopar73340 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2004 - 07:50:49 PM »

Hey NZ, I don't know how long it will be before you will be making a decision, I have the 5 speed sitting in a box in my basement. I'll be installing it over the winter and let you know how it goes.

DodgeFreak · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2004 - 10:22:55 PM »

hey...this is alittle off topic.....how can you tell a 4spd od from a 4spd..or from a 3spd....i think i found a hemi 4spd in my uncles pile of stuff...he has like 6 manual trannies and i'm just tring to find out what he has and what i can use...thanks.

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2004 - 12:05:31 AM »

Hemi is 18 spline input
all others are 23 slpine including OD , if the factory shift levers are in place the od will have the front lever pointed down instaed of up
or shift into 4th gear & the output shaft will turn faster then the input shaft if you turn it
I like the B&B long style McLeod clutch best normal pedal pressure & great grip witha good disc , the 833 sghifts well if the bearings& syncros are in good condition & they are generally stronger than the Tremec
The od , is .71 in OD so a 3.91 is equal to a 278 diff ratio in OD

Carlwalski · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2004 - 12:35:16 AM »

I'm atually thinking og getting that A-833 set up on eBay, I posted the link above.
Do you think that is a good buy and a good set-up?�

All I'll need is a manual shift steering column and a 4-speed console and I'll be rowing in no time.�

I just love the sound of a 440, 4-speed between shifts, that noise is to die for, what the hell would you call it? It shows that noise heaps in VP remake. I'll miss the TF-727 "if" I swap, but yeah.....

With a A-833 4-speed and 3:55 gears with 245's all around would I still get good rpm's on the highway? I'll probably cruise around 65mph-70mph. With that extra gear over a TF-727 because of it, would a A-833 with 3:55's and a TF-727 with 3:55's still cruise at the same rpms? Or because the 4-speed has that extra gear will it do lower rpms at 65mph?

Decisions, Decisions.......... $:-\$

67Vette427 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2004 - 01:50:37 AM »

Oh I think I see a mad max in the making... Hi NZ and all!

Carlwalski · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2004 - 02:00:30 AM »

Long time no see mate!!

You did a swap on your Challenger didn't you? Or last tiome I heard you we're thinking about it.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2004 - 03:25:52 AM »

Hey Chryco....

I found a rebuilt 18-Spline HEMI 4-speed transmission for $1,100US Is that an OK price a for a rebuilt 18 spline trans?

$:-\$

The only problem is that means I then have to go out and buy ALLLLLLL the rest of the assembly.

Pedals, Manual steering column, Shifter boot, Pistol Grip handle, 4-Speed Hump and 4-speed Console..........

I think I'd rather have a 18 Spline 4-Speed over a 5-speed "new school" trans. Price is of course a main factor but the A-833's are just as good, heavy duty. Only thing is you lose 1 gear, would be nice but ah

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