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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #15 on: September 20, 2004 - 05:13:33 AM »


    Oh oooooo  :-[ I may have left a vital piece of info out........


    Drum roll please.....................................I have Air conditioning!?!?!?!?!  :-X :-\


    That surely must mean it's an impossible swap without spending meag $$$. I don't want to remove the air con and I don't want to spend any more $$$ than I have to. Is this conversion still possible?  ???

    They never came from the factory with 440's, 4-speeds and air conditiong, well not that I'm aware of in a 1970 e-body.


    Please advise if this conversion is possible still?



    I don't mind either a 4-speed or TF-727 so I'm not worried just thought a Kiesler or A-833 would be fun.  ;D


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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #16 on: September 20, 2004 - 11:25:14 AM »
    no problem , A/C doesn`t affect the 4 spd
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #17 on: September 20, 2004 - 02:13:23 PM »

    Keuwl!!!!!  :D ;D

    I think I am going to go for the A-833 HEMI trans. You think thats a good idea.  ??? :)



    Do you think the only reason A/C never came with a 4-speed on 440's and 440+6's is because they were meant for one thing - speed?


    I had a look in the archieve and found that you posted a 4-speed swap section.  ;)



    Thanks CP


    So far I am 80% keen on this conversion, may have to save the pennys a little longer though but never the less.


    « Last Edit: September 20, 2004 - 02:16:31 PM by NZ 440RT »
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    Offline Moparmatt

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #18 on: September 20, 2004 - 04:38:56 PM »
    Long time, no see, 67vette427!

    How is the motor swap coming?
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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #19 on: September 20, 2004 - 06:14:36 PM »
    Hey Matt, NZ, Chryco and all!

    Its been going good. I was spending a lot of time on the inner fenders of the Challenger becasue of RUST.. yuck. I have it painted up and the motor is in and almost ready to fire. So far I am stil running the 727 with a TCI stall hemi converter! Here's a picture of how it looks today. I bought the Hemi dual quad base from year one but didn't realize the neck of the hemi carter carbs is a smaller diameter so I need to modify the base.

    NZ I know the 440 cars came with AC except for maybe the 6 pack but like Chryco said it shouldn't be affected by the tranny. :)

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #20 on: September 21, 2004 - 02:43:38 AM »
    there is not enough room for both the 6 pack & the V2 compressor , I know of no reason to prevent a 440 4spd A/C combo being built
     The Hemi looks great in there 67 
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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #21 on: September 21, 2004 - 03:15:00 AM »


    Good point CP.


    I wonder if that set-up opn Ebay with the 23-spline woul hosue the 18 in future?  ???

    If later down the road (saved pennys) could a excahnge transmsions? Like, would the 18 spline trans go right in, or at the very least need minor adjustments or parts.  :D

    Because I could buy that eBay set-up and then get the HEMI trans later down the road.  8)




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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #22 on: September 21, 2004 - 12:40:25 PM »
    the 18 spline tranny is identical , all you need to do is change the clutch disc to match the 18 spine shaft to swap trannys 
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #23 on: September 21, 2004 - 01:52:28 PM »


    Thanks CP. Thats about all I need to know for now.  ;) :)


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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #24 on: September 21, 2004 - 02:17:01 PM »
    After some serious thought I have decided not to do this conversion.


    Why?  ???


    Several reasons, and discussions.

    Main one being that it's an original #'s vehicle. Second I don't mind either or so keeping the TF-727 is fine.
    The Torqueflite-727 is a great transmission and is piece of mind having that behind the 440.


    Plus it's so close to being complete. I think this is just another resto phase of mine.

    First it was keeping all the moldings and vinly roof, then ages ago it was thinking about getting a drag racing auto shifter (B&M Rachet) I have the slap-stik tilt pistol-Grip for some fun.  8) ;D


    I guess I can spend a 1/4 of the conversion money and some extra hp.  ;D


    If my car was a rolling chasis or a clone the change would be simple and with no harm to value.




    Thanks for all your help lads, mainly Chryco.


    Yehaaaaaaaaaaw not long to go now............



    « Last Edit: September 21, 2004 - 02:19:31 PM by NZ 440RT »
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    Offline GreenFish

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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #25 on: September 28, 2004 - 10:05:13 AM »
    NZ - good choice, if you have a #matching car.. i wouldnt change anything.  I am doing the 5 speed conversion this winter, (tranny is on its way as we speak)  But i wouldnt do it if I had the original engine and all that.  Of course you could always go back.
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    Re: Auto - Kiesler 5-Speed?
    « Reply #26 on: September 28, 2004 - 02:22:45 PM »


    Thanks.  :) Yeah, I "could" always change it later on down the track but I doubt I will. I'll probably spice it it some but thats it.  8)

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