727 or 904 - shifter madness - I don't have any hair left to pull - HELP!!!

[az-nick]

Thanks Matt, and I just found my manual also, I thought I sold it a while ago, I am glad i didn't.....

[brads70]

here is under the console
Look at the shifter plate, it is attached by only 1 screw, I am not sure if this has any effect on the function but it is at angle slightly.
Look at the bushing on the shaft that drops down to the tranny, is this bushing suppose to be above the metal brace or should it be sqeezedinto it?
I also took pictures of the shifter plate and the rod going into the side.
Also I notice the large spring is missing from the front bracket, are they available and where?
Any other things look out of place?


I'm thinking the spring your missing is the biggest problem? Sorry I don't have an extra I just checked. Post in the parts wanted section maybe? I don't know where you get one new? There is also supposed to be a smaller spring on the sdie of the shifter. Is it there?
Here is the spring your missing,kind of expencive though I thought?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/CONSOLE-LINKAGE-ROD-SPRING-MOPAR-70-74-CUDA-CHALLENGER_W0QQitemZ390154648857QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad7077d19

[moparmaniac59]

You bushing is broken. It is supposed to have 4 little clips that hold it in place. It actually "snaps" in place. I think Chrysler probably makes a tool to press all 4 clips in to remove the bushing and may explain why yours is broken. That will need to be replaced. Your shifer has 3 screws that hold it down. Two fwd and one aft. The shifer plate uses these same screws and has "U" shaped slots for adjustment. Using only 1 screw will allow the whole shifer to slop around and cause HUGE problems. Fixing your broken bushing and any others that may be worn or broken and using all the correct screws to hold the shifter in place should really make a HUGE difference!!

                                              Matt B.

[az-nick]

here is under the console
Look at the shifter plate, it is attached by only 1 screw, I am not sure if this has any effect on the function but it is at angle slightly.
Look at the bushing on the shaft that drops down to the tranny, is this bushing suppose to be above the metal brace or should it be sqeezedinto it?
I also took pictures of the shifter plate and the rod going into the side.
Also I notice the large spring is missing from the front bracket, are they available and where?
Any other things look out of place?


I'm thinking the spring your missing is the biggest problem? Sorry I don't have an extra I just checked. Post in the parts wanted section maybe? I don't know where you get one new? There is also supposed to be a smaller spring on the sdie of the shifter. Is it there?
Here is the spring your missing,kind of expencive though I thought?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/CONSOLE-LINKAGE-ROD-SPRING-MOPAR-70-74-CUDA-CHALLENGER_W0QQitemZ390154648857QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad7077d19

Brad - thanks for looking in your stash and the link for a new one, yes it seems expensive, I will try finding a used one first.
What does this spring do?

[az-nick]

You bushing is broken. It is supposed to have 4 little clips that hold it in place. It actually "snaps" in place. I think Chrysler probably makes a tool to press all 4 clips in to remove the bushing and may explain why yours is broken. That will need to be replaced. Your shifer has 3 screws that hold it down. Two fwd and one aft. The shifer plate uses these same screws and has "U" shaped slots for adjustment. Using only 1 screw will allow the whole shifer to slop around and cause HUGE problems. Fixing your broken bushing and any others that may be worn or broken and using all the correct screws to hold the shifter in place should really make a HUGE difference!!

                                              Matt B.

Matt - thanks for telling me this, this is the spring that looks brand new on the vertical shaft that goes down to the trans?
Is the bushing suppose to have the clips mouled to it on the sides or are the clips attached to a mount that surrounds the bushing and both are pushed into the bracket?
Is this bushing available?
Also, where is the location for the other spring you mention, I will look and see if it is there?

[brads70]

Brad - thanks for looking in your stash and the link for a new one, yes it seems expensive, I will try finding a used one first.
What does this spring do?

It keeps tension on the shifter so it doesn't flop around

[BIGSHCLUNK]

NicK, I think you may be missing a spring, and after I replace my motor and trans mounts my shifter needed adjustment too! The bushing does look work to me also.

[az-nick]

Steve - Here are the pics of the horizontal shaft and where it locates on the trans lever, I hope this is what you were looking for.

SHOULD THERE BE A BUSHING IN THAT LOCATION, LOOK AT PIC #3 

[az-nick]

NicK, I think you may be missing a spring, and after I replace my motor and trans mounts my shifter needed adjustment too! The bushing does look work to me also.

Work, did you mean something else?

[brads70]

Nick I think maybe you have the wrong shifter arm on there. I ran into a similiar issue , I had a B&M shifter arm on when I bought my car ( see first picture) I changed my car from a column shift to a floor shift. The second pic is the arm I used. No there is not a bushing on there!

[BIGSHCLUNK]

Work, did you mean something else?

"like it needs" should be before work Nick... sorry brain faster than typing skills... 

[quapman]

I thought it was just a typo and "work" was supposed to be "worn". 

Anyway, again with Brad on the wrong lever theory.

You'll probably need a big, fat washer above the lever/ below the cotter pin since your lockout linkage is gone and that's what normally takes up the space.

Trying to find one on fleebay, but here are your new bushings:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mopar-NOS-727-904-Trans-Shifter-Linkage-Bushings-NOS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335a0891d8QQitemZ220553843160QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[moparmaniac59]

I just looked in my Torqueflite 727 transmission handbook and the top gearshift control lever shown in Brad's picture appears to be the correct one for a console shifter. It should be "L" shaped. The bottom picture of the straight gearshift control lever is for a column shifter setup (that's not to say that either one might work, I'm not that knowledgeable). I just thought I'd point that out. Your lower rod that goes into the lever should not have that much slop as already pointed out (the hole is too big for the lower rod). You may want to PM Terry (tactransman) and see if he can give some more input and with all the Mopar tranny's he rebuilds, he may have the spring you need or any other misc linkage parts!!

                                                        Matt B.

                                                     Matt B.

[brads70]

When I bought my Challenger the seller installed a B&M mega shifter to transport the car. My car was originally a column shift car and I converted it to a floor shift car.  when I tried to hookup the linkage it 100% for sure woulndn't fit. I asked Terry and right away he ID the problem as a B&M arm . I then found the right arm (second picture) on e-bay and asked Terry to look before I bought it and he said yep that looks correct. I'm no expert by and stretch but I can assure you 100% the top one won't work! I don't know if it's the same one Nick is dealing with but by the picture it looks close? Just saying?
Nick how close is the linkage to the neutral saftey switch? I ask as when I tried to run the shifter through its travels it hit the switch I tried adjusting it to make it work and the adjuster was almost right at the end ( like Nicks picture shows?)makes me suspicious to that the tranfer rod is on an angle? Something looks fishy? Nick do you see any evedence that someone added this floor shift set up after?
I could be totally wrong with everything ,but just sharing what I ran into.
Again I an no expert!

[moparmaniac59]

I have the "L" shaped shifter lever on my tranny and it works correctly. I bought the car from the original owner. I do know B & M makes an "L" shaped shifter lever also, so therein may lie the problem Brad had, but again I'm no expert. I think I'd do as Brad did and contact Terry. Definitely not a proper fit with your setup. What I posted previously concerning the different shifter levers was shown in several illustrations in the "Torqueflite A-727 Transmission Handbook" by Carl H Monroe. By now we probably have you totally confused :roflsmiley:That's not funny, sorry. I know how frustrating it can be!!

                                                  Matt B.