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Offline mojavered

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Steering Box
« on: February 19, 2010 - 03:02:10 PM »
I have a 71 Challenger with power steering.  I have replaced everything but the gear box so far.  I see that Firm Feel has a repair kit.  Has anyone ever used one of these before?  If yes, that means you had to take it apart and..... were any specialty tools needed in the process?  How did it work afterwards?

I think that I may just get a new one from either Firm Feel or Steer and Gear.  Is one better than the other?  There is only about a $45 difference in cost.  Thanks!
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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010 - 03:33:07 PM »
Here is another question.  How do I really know if the box is bad?  I have never seen it work.  There is a ton of play.  The car is not running however, and I am not sure if it can be adjusted without the car running.  It appears that the adjuster screw is pretty much all the way down, maybe a half turn??? left to go and that is it.  I tried to make a 1/4 turn and it was really tight and I figured tha maybe it needs to be running in order for adjustment to happen.  I do not want to get the engine bolted down, headers in, and then have to pull the box.  I would rather do it now (should have done it a long time ago)!  Thanks.
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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010 - 04:24:00 PM »
I just ordered a stear and gear extra firm box to replace my oem box, which really had nothing wrong with it, just that the it behaves more like boat/yacht steering :bigsmile:
I should have the new box installed by this time next week.
In the meantime search this site for several other good threads about these upgrade boxes.
But, I would think you need your car running before you can make the final determination about the existing box. If it's old, and you have replaced everything else to new or rebuilt condition, if you have any doubts about it, and if you have the budget, I would just pull the trigger now and replace it.
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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010 - 07:26:25 PM »
Thanks TommyG!  I get too carried away and in a rush and forget about the search.

Another question...If I wanted to get a firmer box, but keep the 71 pitman arm, can the box just be ordered with the firm feel and use the stock parts?   Or does the larger diamer shaft and a longer pitman and idler need to be used?  Thanks!
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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010 - 10:30:16 PM »
All I know is from reading the other threads, and I think you can just order a 71 box and swap it straight in with no modifications needed. Just send them back your core box when you finish.
You can also order the later box if you want to swap other parts, but you dont need to, especially if your stock 71 linkages are in good condition.
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71 Cuda 440-6 Tribute-Limelight-A833 Close Ratio-4 Sp-Pistol Grip-Dana 3.54 Powr Lok-Rally Dash-Shaker (Sold)
92 Dodge Stealth RT-Twin 15g Turbos-SAFC2 Tuned-Mystic Blue-5 Sp-AWD-Rear Wheel Steering-AutoX'r (Sold)
12 Dodge Charger SXT Plus Blacktop Package-3.6L-8 Sp-Leather-Nav (the wife's)

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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010 - 06:27:45 AM »
I was in the same conundrum. (warning, long post)

My stock (72) box seemed to work ok...not tons of play but some and I felt it could be better....but it leaked bad.  I had tried using Lucas oil's "stop leak " fluid which was "guaranteed to work" but it didnt...LOL...so it musta been a bad leak.

40 years can do a lot to seals.

I am rebuilding my front end and had everything apart and didnt want to have to rip it all apart again so figured I would do "something" about the box.....a "do it once" attitude.

Well, the rebuild kits I found were around $75-100 (unless I was looking at the wrong things) and I realized that I knew nothing about the guts of a steering box.  The cost of an already rebuilt (stock) box was about $220 or so.....and a Firm Feel or S&G unit was "only" another $120 or so.  I didn't care for how light the steering was, so I decided to hitch up my big boy pants, bite the bullet and pull the trigger (is that enough cliche for one sentence? LOL).  I am about $420 into the box what with shipping both ways.  It was a blow to my budget for sure but I think it wa the best choice.

I went with Firm Feel simply because they seem to have the best record here and elsewhere......

They were SUPER responsive....they were out of the earlier small sector shaft cores so they had me ship mine to them first and they rebuilt that one.....which is cool cause I can say its the original one.   The didnt seem to feel that the change to a large sector shaft box would buy me much aside from a cheaper pitman arm (the 72 and down pitman is like $150 vs $50 for the 73-up....)....but they will not send you a 73-up box if you send them a 72-down core.....I would have had to find a 73-up core or pay the core charge, so it would have been a wash......plus I found that the pitman for $109 at PST thanks to folks here......so still saved some money.

The core charge is enough that you will want to send a core to them to save the cash (I think it was $80) so might as well get mine back I figured.

I went with stage 3 and clear coated it when I got it back. Stage 3 because it sounded like Stage 1 was more or less stock....stage two was "just a little firmer" and stage 3 was "more like todays perf. cars".....I am running skinny front tires (relative to the back and I like a heavier feel to begin with.

I installed it about a month ago but have not even fired it up yet...still assembling my front end.  They cleaned up the box real nice and I was very pleased with thee experience to this point.

Frankly, I wouldn't mess with rebuilding it myself unless you knew what you were doing...what to look for as far as worn hard parts, clearances, etc.  Getting the box in and out is too much of a pain in the behind to do it more than once if not absolutely necessary IMHO especially if you have headers.

I am just crossing my fingers that it is 100% perfect when I fire it up...LOL

Good luck in your decisions!


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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010 - 10:17:23 AM »
Shadango,
what kind of clearcoat did you use on your box?
My stear and gear is arriving Monday, so I have the week to coat it myself.

btw, I found some negative posts on moparts about firm feel too, so not every company is immune to problems.
Hope yours works well :working: :cheers:
72 Roadrunner 400-4 Auto-3.23 Gear-Black Cruiser
71 Cuda 440-6 Tribute-Limelight-A833 Close Ratio-4 Sp-Pistol Grip-Dana 3.54 Powr Lok-Rally Dash-Shaker (Sold)
92 Dodge Stealth RT-Twin 15g Turbos-SAFC2 Tuned-Mystic Blue-5 Sp-AWD-Rear Wheel Steering-AutoX'r (Sold)
12 Dodge Charger SXT Plus Blacktop Package-3.6L-8 Sp-Leather-Nav (the wife's)

Multiple SRT's, Rams, Dakotas, Caravans and Neons

...the lines on the road just look like dots!....

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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010 - 02:00:50 PM »
How do I really know if the box is bad?  I have never seen it work.  There is a ton of play.  The car is not running however, and I am not sure if it can be adjusted without the car running. 

mojavered,
Even if your original box is in perfect condition, you'd be better off replacing it with a 'Steer'n'Gear' or 'Firm Feel' box. :2cents: It looks like they both do the same work to the original box, so as far as who to get it from it probably doesn't matter.
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Re: Steering Box
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010 - 04:21:44 PM »
Shadango,
what kind of clearcoat did you use on your box?
My stear and gear is arriving Monday, so I have the week to coat it myself.

btw, I found some negative posts on moparts about firm feel too, so not every company is immune to problems.
Hope yours works well :working: :cheers:

I used engine clear coat....and it has sat curing for weeks now...so hoping it will stay on and keep looking good.

I saw the negative posts about FF too, but they seemed to be less frequent and less severe that S&G.

FF seemed more popular so thats why I went with them.  Really it was gut feeling...it would have been about $80 cheaper for me since S&G is closer....but I went with what I could scrounge on the web.

i am eager to feel the results!