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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2010 - 09:14:08 AM »
I am pretty sure there are several folks here who didnt change the distribution block out for the "correct" OEM prop valve...just added the wilwood one....

Thats the route I am going.




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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2010 - 09:15:38 AM »
Hummm I was told that drum or disc brakes need residual pressure to keep something seated,just can't remember which? :dunno: :clueless:
Residual valve is for the drum brakes, this was dropped by '73 as they changed something in the slave cylinders, they can be added in line, I rebuilt my MC & the in-cylinder valves were included in the kit.
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2010 - 10:00:16 AM »
Residual pressure was required to keep the wheel cylinder seals against the bores. If there was no residual pressure, air could (and often would) be ingested with every lift of the foot off of the brake pedal. Thechange was the addition of a spring and steel cups to the wheel cylinder, which helped better keep the seals in place and working. The distribution block contains no metering provisions per se, but it does help keep the fluid flowing the right direction. The most important feature is the warning switch/pressure differential valve. For those of us that want a light to tell us when the pedal falls to the floor, this is vital. As far as adding a metering valve goes, it's not that necessary, although it might make for a more open prop valve. There are as many right answers as wrong ones, to this set of questions. My '67 'Cuda has all the orginal brake hydraulics on the chassis, but 11" rear drums, and the 10.87" rotors up front. I should have an adjustable prop valve, but have not yet installed it. Braking is excellent, with lockup of the rears only under the heaviest braking. The amount of rubber you have on the road at each end of the car, will have an effect upon how you need to adjust the valve. As for line-locks, they can be awesome, if you drag race or like to do burnouts. Properly installed in the front brake circuit, they are very useful staging devices, with an excellent service record (few problems).

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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2010 - 10:06:37 AM »
Thechange was the addition of a spring and steel cups to the wheel cylinder, which helped better keep the seals in place and working.
Do the newer style slave cylinders retrofit readily to the older style rear drums?
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2010 - 10:13:38 AM »
So when I go to order wheel cylinders ( slave cylinders ,same thing right?) what car model do I order from then? ( I have the small 10 1/2") drums out back)
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2010 - 01:01:52 PM »
So when I go to order wheel cylinders ( slave cylinders ,same thing right?) what car model do I order from then? ( I have the small 10 1/2") drums out back)

Looks like one could order the rear cylinders for a 73 or 74 ebody, right?

Any way to tell if the cylinders have this "feature" without pulling them apart? I wasnt planning on rebuilding my rear brakes yet....they are in good shape....

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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2010 - 01:30:34 PM »
The slave cylinders I use are the ones specified for a late '70s 1/2 ton truck.  They have a smaller diameter bore that helps with the rear brake lockup issue.


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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2010 - 05:33:57 PM »
...do you still use the wilwood valve as well?

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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2010 - 06:42:45 PM »
Yes, still had to.

I really don't know how Chrysler sold these cars that would change ends during a panic stop.


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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2010 - 06:46:23 PM »
The slave cylinders I use are the ones specified for a late '70s 1/2 ton truck.  They have a smaller diameter bore that helps with the rear brake lockup issue.

Do they bolt in with no issues?
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2010 - 06:55:28 PM »
Yes they do, physically the same externally, only the bore is smaller. 

By the way the stock bore is 15/16" and the trucks is 7/8" (Raybestos WC37236, DORMAN  W37236).  The Dormans are $7.50 at rock auto.
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2010 - 06:58:09 PM »
Yes they do, physically the same externally, only the bore is smaller. 

By the way the stock bore is 15/16" and the trucks is 7/8" (Raybestos WC37236 ).

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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2010 - 07:06:15 PM »
Yes they do, physically the same externally, only the bore is smaller. 

By the way the stock bore is 15/16" and the trucks is 7/8" (Raybestos WC37236, DORMAN  W37236).  The Dormans are $7.50 at rock auto.
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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2010 - 12:30:50 AM »
Yes they do, physically the same externally, only the bore is smaller. 

By the way the stock bore is 15/16" and the trucks is 7/8" (Raybestos WC37236, DORMAN  W37236).  The Dormans are $7.50 at rock auto.

The bore info is very helpful, thanks.

Here is what I found at autozone:

80 NYer - Part # 33597 15/16" bore  (I am using 80 NYer calipers and 11.75 disks)  but it doesnt say what size rear brkes

72 barracuda - Part# 33597  15/16" bore   with 10" or 11" rear drum, front disk

72 barracuda - part # 33504  13/16" bore  with front drum and rear 9" drum brakes

79 Dodge truck (4wd)  part # 33597  15/16"  bore

77 Dodge truck D150 2wd   part #33605   7/8" bore   with 10.5" rear drum brakes

I have to measure and see what rear brakes I have....I may have the right size rear cylinders already if they are the 13/16" ones.  Of course I still wont know if they have the spring and steel cups in them....

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Re: Proportioning valve question- wilwood adjustable versus "combination valves"
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2010 - 09:47:08 AM »
As far as I know, all wheel cylinders are built with the updated parts, and the only problems I have seen have been with the replacement of the m/c with a non-check valve unit on an older car that still has the old-style wheel cylinders. This usually results in a low brake pedal after several stops, and requires bleeding to cure it. Replacement of wheel cylinders at this point seems to always cure the problem.