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    Offline hemi68charger

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    '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « on: September 24, 2004 - 08:00:40 AM »
    OK, was posed a question.. Why weren't there any 440 4bbl '71 E-bodies?

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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2004 - 08:30:17 AM »
    No

    I think it was a budget move to lower the amount of options availble

    also it was the end of the 6 pak era and they probably had to get rid of the leftovers
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2004 - 09:43:06 PM »


    Yip easch year from when the e-bodies were created they dropped down, lost things. sucks.  :-[

    The 1971 440 6-Paks are only 10hp more than my 1970 440 Magnum.  8) Thats bugger all!  :D


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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2004 - 10:17:53 PM »
    I would say it is probably because they were overshadowed by the 6pak motor.
    1970 production figures were far less 4bbl vs 6bbl's produced.
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #4 on: September 25, 2004 - 12:02:49 AM »


    I know the production figures of the engines I'm just stating that when most people think SIX PAK, they think awesome (which they are) I'm just saying the decrease in hp over the years shows. The six pak in 1971 is only 10hp more than my 1970 4bbl, which is not much. I guess those kinds of hp differences are never that far off: 1970 440-4bbl 375hp vs 1970 440-6bbl 390hp a whopping 15hp difference, the only one who was by itself was the HEMI.  ;D Headers, exhaust some custom secrets and these engines are all on the same playing feild, well, maybe.  ;) The SIX PAK is my ultimate engine, and is quicker down the 1/4 than the HEMI which IMO is a "little" overrated. The 6bbl has quicker take off and the HEMI has a better higher rpm range.

    I'll take my 440s over a HEMI, yes there rare and yes they are qucik but I prefer the low down torque that the 440's produce.  8)


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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2004 - 03:28:25 PM »
    Sounds like "Racing on Paper".  HP is good, torque is good.  No arguments!  I think a good comparison might be the HP and TQ numbers vs RPM for 440-4 and 440-6 plotted over each other.  I'm familiar with the 10 HP factory number also.  But having owned both engines, I like the feel when the outboard carbs start coming on. 

    But beside a Hemi...   I'll take the Hemi any day.  Torque smork - Nothing a set of gears and some fat tires wont fix!!! 8-}
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2004 - 06:57:16 PM »
    I'd say by 1970 the 6 pack was such a deal and that the E bodys were the performance carriers so they got the 6 pk/bbl engine. Also to cut down on overhead as a cuda/chally buyer would surely cough up the quid for the 6 pack. And as mentioned above they all knew emissions were getting tougher and to burn off inventory that would otherwise languish.
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004 - 12:42:55 AM »


    "Torque Smork"  :P Give me a big helping of Torque over hp any day!!  8) ;D Give me a 440+6 over a HEMI too.

    Beats the HEMI in the 1/4.


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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004 - 03:14:31 PM »
    Torque Schmork Schmork! 8)
    Lets see...
    440+6 (1971) 490 ft/lb at 3200 rpm, 385 hp at 4700 rpm
    426 Hemi (1971) 490 ft/lb at 4000 rpm, 425 hp at 5000 rpm

    In some parts of the world, 490=490  :o

    (Data from http://www.440magnum-network.com/info/enginespecifications.shtml)

    Now every knowlegable source says Hemis were under-rated, possibly for insurance reasons.  Typically a number around 465 hp is mentioned.  A factory dyno sheet from a Hemi is referenced at http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/dyno-test.html which measures 419.9/440.1 hp at 4800/5200 rpm (covers the 425 hp at 5000 range) and a 472 ft/lb torque # at 4000 rpm.  But the engine is run up to 6000 rpm where the 433.5 uncorrected hp corrects to 463 hp.  No mention of any modifications on the dyno sheet. 

    Gimmie a 3.91/4.10 gear, fat sticky tires, a timing light, and a vacuum guage.  My Hemi will outrun my 440.

    So for my 2 cents... I love my 440+6, but I WANT A HEMI ;D
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004 - 04:17:50 PM »
    well what i read there was that HEMI=same torque as 440/6 and more ponies so i guess there is still no question as to my choice if i have the cash to go either way.....HEMI FOR ME!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004 - 05:48:39 PM »
    Looking for '71 440 project car.  What is a good price for a numbers matching car, with hopefully a good body?  I know the rest of the world is looking for one too, but any help would be appreciated.  We all have dreams.  Please help fulfill mine.  Just a working class hero.
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004 - 06:28:53 PM »
    Hey 440wannabe,
      Welcome aboard :D I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I can't imagine there were too many 71 440's built. I assume you are talking about a Cuda ??? Great looking car ;), I wish I had one too. If you want something numbers matching, in good shape, be prepared to overspend. I would guess the bidding would start at 20K. If not running, maybe you could get away with 15K. It's a tough world out there :P

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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #12 on: September 29, 2004 - 01:50:36 AM »
    Quote from: vert on September 28, 2004 - 03:14:31 PM
    Torque Schmork Schmork! 8)
    Lets see...
    440+6 (1971) 490 ft/lb at 3200 rpm, 385 hp at 4700 rpm
    426 Hemi (1971) 490 ft/lb at 4000 rpm, 425 hp at 5000 rpm

    In some parts of the world, 490=490  :o

    (Data from http://www.440magnum-network.com/info/enginespecifications.shtml)

    Now every knowlegable source says Hemis were under-rated, possibly for insurance reasons.  Typically a number around 465 hp is mentioned.  A factory dyno sheet from a Hemi is referenced at http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/dyno-test.html which measures 419.9/440.1 hp at 4800/5200 rpm (covers the 425 hp at 5000 range) and a 472 ft/lb torque # at 4000 rpm.  But the engine is run up to 6000 rpm where the 433.5 uncorrected hp corrects to 463 hp.  No mention of any modifications on the dyno sheet. 

    Gimmie a 3.91/4.10 gear, fat sticky tires, a timing light, and a vacuum guage.  My Hemi will outrun my 440.

    So for my 2 cents... I love my 440+6, but I WANT A HEMI ;D



    But have you seen the performance sheets? The toruqe curves?  8)


    440-440+6!!  :D



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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #13 on: September 29, 2004 - 07:43:03 AM »
     ;) I love the legendary hemi as much as anyone, it has really made a name for itself...but, if you are building a street performer, the 440 is the way to go. You can build an engine for less than half the cost of what it would cost to do the same to a hemi if you count the original price of the engine. A stock hemi crate engine is going for around 12k to 15k. You can do a lot to a 440 for less than half of that. Hemi 'Cuda has a nice ring to it, but so does firing up a 550 hp streetable stroker!  ;D  I'm into my 500 cid, pump gas stroker 9500.00 new from the pan to the carbs. Dyno'd at 591 fpt and 560 hp. My dream is finding a hemi Cuda but until that day comes, I think I can live with the stroker. As a good friend stated, if you want to turn heads at the local shows, hemi, you want them watching your tailights, stroker.  ;D
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    Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
    « Reply #14 on: September 29, 2004 - 12:26:12 PM »
    Plum6 and NZ, I get your points re torque and price.  I can agree easily.  My 440+6 engine turned mid 11's in another car.  It has plenty of kick. 

    To rephrase things: IF money were no object... Example: 426 Hemi or 440+6, both brand new.  You can have one. 

    Pick One!  Which did You choose?  I know my answer!
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