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Offline Moparal

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I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« on: May 09, 2010 - 02:05:17 PM »
I backed off my timing a couple of degrees and tried running 92 octane thinking after a couple of test drives I was ok.  Well as it turned out, I still had some 110 in the tank since I never ran it down low.  Today it was very close to empty,and also 68 outside, so I drove up to the station and put 6 gals of 92 in it....................Now it pings and I had to limp home. I guess I need to raise the octane up a bit.  A mix would be good if I knew what the lowest oct # I would need.  The car runs great on 110, but I think maybe 100 or 98 would be good. Not sure.




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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010 - 02:15:56 PM »
can you still get 98 at the pump in the states?  overhere some still have it but the standard here is 95
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010 - 02:19:32 PM »
can you still get 98 at the pump in the states?  overhere some still have it but the standard here is 95

We only have 92 round here in western WA. I usally put in the 89, but sometimes I splurge and get the 92. Thing of it is, I can't tell the difference :dunno: the car runs the same with either.

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010 - 02:34:56 PM »
We only have 92 round here in western WA. I usally put in the 89, but sometimes I splurge and get the 92. Thing of it is, I can't tell the difference :dunno: the car runs the same with either.

  If you can run 89 then great.  The improvement with 92 or even higher is felt when you can advance the timing up a bit with the higher octane rating.

  Octane rating equals the ability to stop knocking or pinging, so if you dont advance the timing then you might as well use the lowest rating you can and save the cash for other things.
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010 - 04:25:14 PM »
Al,

  The highest I can get here is 93, which outs me on the edge. It stinks having to back off the timing, as you are compromising the engine. Have you ever played with lead substitutes? Oldschool turned me on to one that worked, but I lost the link to the site.    :banghead:

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010 - 04:33:16 PM »
Yeah Mike, OS had sent me the link before. It is pricey as about the same cost as driving with 110 leaded.  We have 93 chevron, but it knocks to.  I know i'm over 11.5 / 1  comp in this engine.  I run steel heads to.  The wife just home, so I may go up and get 10 more gallons of 110.  I built it to have fun, I don't know what I was thinking trying to fool myself that it would run on 92 or 93. 

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010 - 08:44:09 PM »
Can you get E85?  It has ~100 Octane

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010 - 08:50:16 PM »
Can you get E85?  It has ~100 Octane

Need to change the whole tune and get rid of as much rubber as you can in the fuel system. All the alcohol really plays hell on rubber components
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010 - 09:04:55 PM »
Can you get E85?  It has ~100 Octane
I was going to ask that too, I stopped in a Sunoco station in PA that had it and talked to the station manager about it. He said all the local stock car crowd swear by it for their race engines?  Years ago I used to by srtaight elthenol from a local supplier and mix it with pump gas. But it's to expencive, and if ya ever got stopped by the cops , no way they would believe you weren't drinking as the exhaust smelled like alcohol! :bigsmile: I  used viton o rings ( I used a Holley carb)  and never had any problems.
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010 - 08:36:32 AM »
Hey Al and Mike...    :wave:   


The link to the good stuff is here:

www.kemcooil.com

Then click on "Products" and then "Octane Booster".
That will get you hooked up to the stuff that flat works...    :2thumbs:   
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010 - 02:34:06 PM »
the link doesnt work for me :dunno:

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010 - 10:27:04 PM »
Kemco's web site is down, but here's a link to another company that carrys thier products. Hope it helps  :burnout:

http://www.batterystuff.com/fuel-treatments/OScase.html

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010 - 09:06:56 AM »
I hate to sound like a broken record, but E-85 is NOT METHANOL. It is nowhere near as toxic or as corrosive as methanol, and alcohol is never alcohol. There are VERY important differences between the two. 40-year old rubbr fuel components will not live well in ethanol fuels, but modern gasoline eats that kind of rubber much more quickly, so regular "gasoline" will also kill the rubber components. Modern rubber compounds (manufactured in the last 20 years) are proof against ethanol, and ethanol will not eat aluminum or viton components, either. If you do not wish to change your tune significantly, try adding about 20-30% E-85 to your pump-premium gasoline. This will significantly increase detonation tolerance, and allow you to run timing like you want to. Switching to E-85 gives you cooler running temps, and the ability to run a tune-up as aggressive as you will remember running with Sunoco 260. Larger jets are required, and if you are running a VERY nasty engine, the "E-85" carbs will probably be necessary. I have had success with just running bigger jets in a standard Holley 3310 carb. This is for street engines, mind you. Much of the new technology being peddled out there is only useful for track use, and will over-fuel a street car. Actual octane ratings vary due to the varying percentages of ethanol in the fuel (85% nominal- as low as 70%), but I have seen 70% fuel at about 105 octane. E-85 is usually about 105-110 octane, and varies from supplier to supplier. In Colorado, the most consistant fuel has been from the Western chain of gas stations. Spark plug recommendations have been all over the place, but one tuner recommends using a cooler plug, as detonation events are possible with the hotter flame front. In street use, I found that I needed a hotter plug, as I wasn't running flat-out all the time.

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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010 - 08:12:40 PM »
If you replace 30% of the tank with a solvent like xlyele or toluene you should be well over 100 octane.  Xylene has a 118 octane rating, toluene is arond 115.  Both are available at paint stores (Sherwin-Williams).
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Re: I thought I could get by with 92 octane
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2010 - 09:21:12 AM »
But neither is rated as a fuel, and both will eventually gunk up something. Toxicity is a factor, too. Gasoline is a bad enough toxic soup without adding more light distillates.