manual forward valve body....

[djwhog]

Someone is feeding you a lot of BS on the band apply!

You can make mega HP and it has nothing to do with any limits with band apply in low on braking.

Is just a better way to build a MVB and still keep more safety in her.

I have a serious amount of $$ in my 727 in my 64 Dart and even have a case modiied with a bolt in 8 bolt sytle extreme HD sprag, dont think there is a tuffer one.

But trust me, I have had drive shafts break, u-joints, done serious water burn outs etc and blew up several cases on the nex launch.

I now run the band apply style and a safety blanket.

I want to live a lot longer and the trans built like this is a monster.

In fact as I mentioned you could get an entire MVB from Cope for not that much $$, but atleast talk to him, he is the guy...

good luck:)

[challydust]

yeah i noticed at mancini (worthless)....they have turbo action manual forward for less money than a&a or cope....but no low band apply..(manicine says u only need low band apply if ur draggin with a trans brake which i dont have)..i define dont have that low band apply now...drove it last night...coast in 1st lettin off the gas....sooooo.....i really would like the manual forward pattern...i know lots of guys use and like the reverse pattern..but i cant seem to find a fact shifter set up or even with the shifter gate plate that works with the rev vb, that u DONT have to push the button in to shift it....i know i sound like a whiner..but that fact t handle just isnt heavy duty, its sloppy, ive replaced mine too......i just tore it apart and greased it , replace the spring ect....i just prefer to pull it down and slap it through the gears without having to worry about if the buttons pushed in far enough, or short shiftin it......maybe one of these after market pistol grip shifters ive seen on here would work better than the stock t handle?...they still have the trigger though......when i talked to cope, i just didnt get a warm fuzzy feeling from him about ordering a forward manual vb,...he was really pushing the rev....he has the forward vb with low band apply though...about 500 out the door......if i could find a shifter i liked and just get a scatter shield for my tranny, thatd be my least expensive way.......my heads spinning  lol

[challydust]

sorry guys...just saw ur newer post...let me read them and then reply again....i only responded to yesterdays last post from trac man......thanks alot for the responses....

[tactransman]

This is available also.    http://www.duncan-motor-sports.com/prod01.htm

[challydust]

okay....now i read everything....yes i do not have a low band apply now....jsut learned about it, by diggin into this vb situation...there is nothing wrong with my current vb....been in there since 95   now car has bb roller stroker...and when i mentioned that to a@a and cope...they both said i was nuts to run a rev withou low band...so thats what got me thinking.....im basically stuck with a decison of spending 500 plus ( thats with the servo i need to run the low band apply, core, shipping and gettin it installed...they said the servo can be tricky, i d rather have a tranny shop do it)....so 500 plus to replace my perfect running vb, minus the low band apply....just to get rid of the reve shifting pattern.......cope kinda gave me the feeling that the forward vb is just a fancy shift kit and not the same animal as a rev vb...BUt he will build me one if i want......just a tough decision...dont want to give up any quality or performance...but want to change my shifting patter.....decisions decisions  and theres the money factor....always is , isnt there.....

[challydust]

yes trac man....just smoked 40 bucks on that one....still has to push the shifter knob in to get it to the next gear with a rev vb.....not any different than what i have....duncan told me and knew i had a rev pattern but said it would work just like the slapstick...it doesnt......when u  pull my slapstick all the way back...u never have to push the button again to shift it up....just bump it.......with my rev patt and the shifter gate....u have to push the button to shift.....was hoping the shifter gate would worked..and then id just buy a shield for my tranny for my perfectly workin non apply band vb....lol     never that lucky though...

[GreenFish]

before i swapped to my Tremec I had a 727 with a fwd pattern VB.  While the car wasnt a monster it wasnt to shabby either.  I ran an 11.68 1/4mile with it. Never had any problems. Cant remember the brand it was though... sorry.

I used it for the same reason you want it. I like the factory slap stick and using a rev VB you risk missing gears.

[Aracer]

The reverse valve body works great on a column shifted automatic. You shift away from neutral and the hands never leave the wheel. If you leave the kickdown rod on and don't bottom out the pressure adj. screw it will shift softer when you let up on the gas between first and second. I assembled mine from 1978
Direct Connection parts and instructions from the race book. Second gear water burnouts only, or else  

[challydust]

no kickdown on my car....i thought that was the whole purpose of the manual vb

[tactransman]

A Transgo TF-3 Kit has the provision to use throttle pressure still IF you want to.

[Aracer]

I would not bother to do another like mine, the Trans go kits are modern.

[tactransman]

challydust (sorry,didn't get your first name)  Here is some helpful info for you in this thread.http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=20391.0

Here is the rear servo piston you need http://www.sonnax.com/part_summary.php?id=3496&pl=3
You can buy it here, http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/A727_46RH_reverse_servo_piston_p/400-000022912.htm then it needs to be shimmed solid like the thread link I posted above shows.


It was nice talking to you on the phone. 

[tactransman]

Oh.. and by the way,this is what happened to one of my customers WITHOUT Low Band Apply that rolled the sprag over in the burn out!

[challydust]

Ouch......so i have a dumb ?......if i go with a forward manual with low band apply.....Does the new vb come with a new lever? or is that something that is in my 727 guts?.....u mentioned a number 5....that has alot of overlap.....which im guessing causes the banging into gear at low traffic speeds...(not under heavy accell)....just wondering if i get to choose a different lever when buying a new vb...or i have to have the tranny shop change the lever when i change out the vb?....I prob wont tackle this..too many shops around that could do it alot quicker for me...than me to guesswork it....just wonderin how mixing up my current set up is gonna effect overall performance....ect......do i leave the number 5 lever in there.?  and so forth....

[tactransman]

You have to remove the transmission to change that lever. I would leave it as is.