Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer

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Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« on: July 01, 2010 - 02:02:08 PM »
Just wanted to know what was the overall differences between the quality/capabilities of both.  I mean how much better is an aftermarket (eg. TCI Rattler/ATI) Ballancer then a stock on.  Thanks.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010 - 12:12:16 PM »
I agree there are some reasonably priced billet SFI spec dampers

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2010 - 12:28:17 PM »
I have always heard that the TCI Rattler was a good Ballancer for the price. 

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2010 - 12:30:43 PM »
Never used oneof those , 440 Source has a reasonably priced SFI damper too

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010 - 10:33:12 PM »
I use a stock one on my 408
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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010 - 01:50:24 PM »
Whatever you do do not use a non SFI rated cheap balancer. The SFI ones seem to be ok, butt he non SFI's I've had troubles with so I'm not using the any more.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010 - 02:13:27 PM »
Thanks guys, I was really asking for general knowledge, but as far as my build goes I have considered the 440 source ballancers or the TCI Rattler.  The ATI stuff is a little pricey and Alan is just building a decent strip/street engine.  Im sure when it comes down to it he will get me what applies to the build.  Thanks for the input guys.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010 - 05:34:55 PM »
E-bay, for a CAT fluid balancer, the same as 440 source, but cheaper.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010 - 08:27:48 PM »
I used the fluiddamper from 440 Source and it came with an SFI Certification. Been to 7000 and it is still hanging in there and very smooth. Of couse you have to make the decision before you balance the engine.
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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010 - 06:53:34 AM »
I guess I was really asking more about the sicence that makes one better than the other?  Can anyone explain this?  Im fairly compent mechanicly and would most likely understand the concepts explained. 

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010 - 11:39:42 AM »
A "balancer" is in most cases for torsional harmonics. On a V8 the crank throws are 90° apart, and the constant power pulses and resistance during the compression stroke make the crank flex and produce bad harmonics. The harmonic dampener is designed to absorb them and minimize the damaging frequencies to the crank. I won't use fluid dampeners of any type. I tried the originals and they leaked quickly when abused. I can't imagine any of the imported stuff is any better. The TCI rattler uses small balls to dampen the harmonics. Most dampeners are elastomer, or bonded rubber. The outer ring moves and can "float" to allow the harmonics to be dampened. Fluid dampeners use a viscousfluid and an inner ring that does the same thing. IMO, best ones are ATI Superdampners but they dont always line up well with stock accessory pulleys. Teh SFI ones of various designs are held to a higer standard and generally hold up better. From now on it' all SFI balancers for my engines. I lost a Profssional Products replacement on one engine, and recently a Pro/Street (Cyco products) came apart costing my several hundred in time and parts to fix. So no cheap crap ever again.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010 - 09:09:33 PM »
Whatever you do do not use a non SFI rated cheap balancer. The SFI ones seem to be ok, butt he non SFI's I've had troubles with so I'm not using the any more.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010 - 01:53:36 AM »
A "balancer" is in most cases for torsional harmonics. On a V8 the crank throws are 90° apart, and the constant power pulses and resistance during the compression stroke make the crank flex and produce bad harmonics. The harmonic dampener is designed to absorb them and minimize the damaging frequencies to the crank. I won't use fluid dampeners of any type. I tried the originals and they leaked quickly when abused. I can't imagine any of the imported stuff is any better. The TCI rattler uses small balls to dampen the harmonics. Most dampeners are elastomer, or bonded rubber. The outer ring moves and can "float" to allow the harmonics to be dampened. Fluid dampeners use a viscousfluid and an inner ring that does the same thing. IMO, best ones are ATI Superdampners but they dont always line up well with stock accessory pulleys. Teh SFI ones of various designs are held to a higer standard and generally hold up better. From now on it' all SFI balancers for my engines. I lost a Profssional Products replacement on one engine, and recently a Pro/Street (Cyco products) came apart costing my several hundred in time and parts to fix. So no cheap crap ever again.
What happened to the Professional Products?  What kind of engine and RPM's were you running? 
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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010 - 06:22:04 AM »
moper,

Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me.  I understand a lot more about how it works and effects the engines performance.  Thanks again.

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Re: Stock v.s. Aftermarket Ballancer
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010 - 01:52:40 PM »
I have always heard that the TCI Rattler was a good Ballancer for the price. 

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I have had some friends complain about the tci rattler not working good when it was used in cold weather. I have experience on an sfi balancer other than I have always used a fluid dampner. Pulley alignment has to be addressed, and sometimes the snout is a pita when installing.