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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2011 - 01:35:02 PM »
well Started on the car friday. I will start off with the more detailed small stuff first hehe.




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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2011 - 02:57:35 PM »
Well I will start with the 1-2 skip shift delete. The solenoid is located just infront of the shifter on the drivers side of the case.

 

After i removed the solenoid I marked it for cutting.



Used a Sawsall to cut both ends.





However the solenoid rod was extremely hard stuff so i pushed it forward and grabed it with some vise grips (see pic 31).



I fired up my crappy lincoln electric quick weld and welded the back of the plunger in



I then used a dremel with a cut-off wheel to remove the plunger tip (see pic 32).



 I cleaned it up, painted the raw metel and shoved it bag in the trans (pic 35).

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2011 - 03:04:11 PM »
The next detail step is the Master Cylinder mods. I am using a 2002 camaro MS for a couple of reasons, 1. Readily availible at most parts stores 2. Half the cost of a viper unit 3. Probably a third of the cost of a Mcleod unit or 1/5 the cost of a keisler unit.
The reason I specifically chose a 2002 unit is because that is the year that GM took out the restrictor in the hydraulic line to the slave cylinder, so no drilling the fitting with 1/8 bit. The hose is 24" braided stainless which is about 6" more then needed but thats a good thing. The only draw backs I can forsee is the odd angle of the mounting pad, and the slightly shorter piston stroke. But thats nothing that can't be easily sorted.
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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2011 - 03:26:08 PM »


The bore of the viper and camaro pistons is the same...but the viper has 1/2" more stroke. This is also easily remedied. Carefully peel back the rubber boot and remove the piston retaining ring, it is like a spiro-loc for a piston (see pic 22).



 Once it's out everything slides out (see pic 23)



the travel limiter is the small metal road cone shaped peice next to the plastic housing.



I cut 1/2" out of it using my trusty dremel with a cut off wheel (see pic 26).



Thankfully this also lessens the spring pressure when putting it all back together. Putting it back together by yourself is definitely an exercise in patience, it helps to put the master cylinder in a vise (gently). I then stretched the spiro-loc out about 1/4", inserted the stop,spring, and piston. I then used the pushrod shoved it all down in and held it with one hand, spun the one end of the spiro-loc in and used a seal pic to push it the rest of the way in. If you can get someone to help you with the last part DO IT!
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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2011 - 03:44:13 PM »
The next bit-o detail work is the slave cylinder fitting swap.





The fittings are held in with 1/8" roll pins.







These pins are a very tight fit so break out the good stuff or this happens.



Once they are out swap the Chevy fitting to the viper Slave cylinder



and re-install the pin. This is where I made a $180 mistake. I figured that I could also swap the new release bearing out as well....well you can't. I went to gently pry off the viper release bearing and broke the race cage in doing so.





As it turns out the vipers inner race is molded into the slave cylinder, where as the chevy unit is a slip fit one piece unit. So now I have to buy a new Viper Slave Cylinder for 180$ :working:
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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2011 - 03:58:00 PM »
Thanks for all the detailed explanation and pics.  I'm looking forward to seeing the end result!   :2thumbs:  :wavingflag:
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda.  Matching numbers 440 U Code, 4 speed pistol grip, Rallye dash, AM 8 Track, Shaker hood, 15 inch rallye wheels, Dana 60 4.10, Super Track Pak.  One of 134 - 440 "U" coupes codes built in 1970 and one of 100 - 440 Super Track Paks built in 1970.

Restoration pictures at:  http://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cars/70-Cuda/7240639_M24oi#465274575_2MBqW
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"usraptr" = United States raptor - bird of prey = United States Bald Eagle.  FYI, somebody else thought of it first so I had to drop the "O" in raptor.

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2011 - 04:11:19 PM »
I will also state that if you would rather go a different route with the connections and lines from the Master to the Slave cylinders you can buy these from Summit (made by Russell, part#640281) they convert the connectors from the factory quick release to -3AN line. They cost about $22 for a package of 2. You will also need to buy Russell -3AN brake line (27" length part# 656072) with -3AN female ends already installed and good to 2500psi for about $27. The cost of the LS slave cylinder I got off of Ebay with shipping was about $57. Cost is so close that it really comes down to preferance.

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2011 - 04:15:18 PM »
Well its dinner time, I have to eat and get crackin again. Thanks to everyone for there patience, useful info, and comments! :bigsmile: :working:

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2011 - 02:13:53 PM »
You need to open a photobucket account. Upload your pictures there then use the "IMG" section to copy into your reply or post:

You'll get something as simple as a picture showing or animated GIF files like these below.
PICTURE


Or Animated GIF


Or


without using any space on this server then losing the pics when the mods make some space.
There is a how-to on this board if you can't figure it out.
Rob

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My Pace Car restoration thread:
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=44869.0


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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2011 - 03:27:46 PM »
Ahh, thank you for the help, I already have a PB account but i was using it to resize the photo's before i posted them, I will go back thru and do this with all my post later tonight that way I am not hoarding the server memory. thanks again
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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2011 - 03:53:06 PM »
Ok on with the show. For the pedal conversion I used the Keisler kit. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the stud plate that reinforces the clutch pedal bracket.



This part is Availible from Year One (part#MR426, $55) if you want to buy one, I will just make my own using the bolts in the kit. Locate the dimples on the firewall, you can't really miss them they stand out like a sore thumb, and they line up well with the
bracket once its assembled



You could even just grind the dimples off from the engine bay if you wanted, if you have power brakes you will have to remove the booster and M/C to gety to the top one.



here you can see the what they look like from the engine bay, notice the bump to the right of the column.

Once that's done the drivers area just feel's so much more right hehe. :bigsmile:

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2011 - 04:42:52 PM »
My friend makes and sells those if you need one.  If you need one, go here:  http://www.n96airgrabber.com/
Rob

3 E-bodies, Megasquirt-1v3.0, Edelbrock Pro-Flo-1, Holley C950, FAST EZ-EFI; say no to carbs...yes to throttle bodies

My Pace Car restoration thread:
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=44869.0


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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2011 - 08:09:06 PM »
Well i have got the hole measured out in the floor, I won't be cutting it tonight tomorrow will be better, daytime gives me way better lighting to work with. I intend to cut out the floor very precisely then use my flanger to make a nice lip to weld to. I figure that if i ever needed to replace a toe board or pan one day that it would be nice to be able to easily replicate the work. So I will be rosette welding the new tunnel in when its done. Look for more details and pics shortly. :working:

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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2011 - 01:24:25 PM »
Sorry i didn't get this posted earlier but that damn blizzard rolled thru and made a mess. For this I chose some tools/materials that where affordable and easily found.



Lol don't forget the safety glasses! The next step was to peel out most of the old interior.



I then used a paint marker to mark the spotweld and locate the cross member before I started cutting.




If you can't locate the spot welds easily like in my case, use som masking tape to mark the cross member and roll it over the rockers and across the floorpans. Then use a paint/rust remover wheel in a drill or whatever you have and sand down the area lighty. This will make the spot welds pop. When I measured the BB with the Schumacher mounts to the bell housing flange (18), I added that dimension to the T-56's overall length (34 1/2") with the Bell attached. This gave me the difference in length from the 360/904 that is in the car. Also on a curious note The LA motor & RB are the same length to the bellhousing mating flange with this setup, and being that the LA/904 are still sitting in that car (ready to pull but I gotta make room to store them lol), all I had to do was measure from the LA motors bell housing flange to the back of the trans cross member and subtract the difference. I ended up making the back cut 9 1/2" from the back of the crossmember, which is a good 1/2 inch more then needed. This also places it right behind the Auto's Shifter bracket.



To remove the bracket I cut the welds (mig'ed in by the factory) right on the edge of the bracket, then I cut the bracket at is thinest points, and finished by using some vise grips to break them free. This allowed my to finish my tape line for the cut.







Some of you may be wondering how I came up with that shape, just use some large heavy paper, scissors and trimed out a template of the transmission. After it was cut to just slip over,I enlarged it to give me some clearance (2 inches per side). I slapped the template down over the floor ( I didn't contour it to the floor, just let it lay flat on the tunnel so the sides were air born), and using a paint marker I made reference lines on the floor to mark the corners etc. I then connected the dots with masking tape,
I used a tape measure to double check the width of the tape at points against that of the template. Notice that I didn't mark above the pinch weld of the factory pan (2" below it at the closest point, then I tapered the tape line down to the corners of the floor pan). If you are using a Quicktime bell there is no need to, thou you may have to clearance the pinch weld on the bottom slightly.



I then traced the inside of the tape with the silver paint marker and pulled up the tape.
I started cutting the floor pan with a cut off wheel. Its important not to rush this step it took me the better part of 5 hours to complete the cut. Pay extra attention when you hit the area where the cross member is I didn't want to cut thru it (yet). I just very gently worked this area back and forth till I saw cracks in the cutline.





 

With the cut now complete all I have to do is drill out the spot welds and pop it off.
I have another project this week that needs attending to so I won't be posting again this weekend. Till then take care all.
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Re: Viper 6 speed in a challenger
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2011 - 05:35:28 PM »
Nice progress! Thanks for sharing!  :2thumbs: Sorry about the blizzard.  -7 degrees here this AM.   
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda.  Matching numbers 440 U Code, 4 speed pistol grip, Rallye dash, AM 8 Track, Shaker hood, 15 inch rallye wheels, Dana 60 4.10, Super Track Pak.  One of 134 - 440 "U" coupes codes built in 1970 and one of 100 - 440 Super Track Paks built in 1970.

Restoration pictures at:  http://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cars/70-Cuda/7240639_M24oi#465274575_2MBqW
(Edited 8-1-17)

"usraptr" = United States raptor - bird of prey = United States Bald Eagle.  FYI, somebody else thought of it first so I had to drop the "O" in raptor.