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    Offline mopar12372

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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #105 on: December 17, 2010 - 12:18:41 AM »

    what is the pinion angle ? how play is in the pinion ? how much slop does the out put yolk have ?
    is the engine fireing on all eight?
    at this point i would leak down test the engine to check for a burnt valve or leaking pistion. sure the fireing order is set right /timming/ distributer set right . these are just sugestions
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #106 on: December 17, 2010 - 08:17:03 AM »
    Sorry to hear that.  You never really know what you're starting with unless you've owned it from the start.
    You could try again with a new flywheel, then drill the hole yourself. Or
    You could take it apart and send EVERYTHING to the balancer.
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #107 on: December 17, 2010 - 09:29:05 AM »
    Yeah,I'm bummed out.it's been a tough road.The guy who helped me with the engine set me up.Told me it was internal.Wish I could just beat him down. My heart says 416. It's a crushing blow...  I'll call up the balancer and give him a piece. I don't have the 5k for a rebuild now.So the flywheel has to be taken back out.try another.And then start on a different engine for it... Words cannot express my feelings.
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #108 on: December 17, 2010 - 12:38:27 PM »
    Just got off the phone with the balancer.He said bring it back in.I figured. He said he'd fill half of them.I told him there should be just one hole.He said something about making up some counterweights for me to try.I asked him if it was a neutrally balanced flywheel.He said yes.And that these are the hardest of the mopars to get right.So I shouldn't give up. But I'm struggling with my mistakes on this.Not knowing enough. Ect...    Without getting the whole thing balanced there's no way to really know exactly what's going on.But I'm broke.looking for advice...       Right now to me the only real option is to Pull the flywheel and keep trying.I can do that much myself.What do you guys think? The balancer is cool about it and willing to help me.He really seems to know a lot. long term...I'd be able to atleast drive it for awhile while I saved for a stroker kit and a bigger cam ect...   I'm mumbling now...


    As usual: Thanks you guys out there...    Atleast I got you on my side.I'd be in a bad way without you.
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #109 on: December 17, 2010 - 05:54:16 PM »
    Robert do you feel any vibration in the motor at idle or when revving it in neutral?
    Or is it only when driving it?
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    « Reply #110 on: December 17, 2010 - 06:59:19 PM »
    Hey ,it's hard to tell at idle...but yes.when revving in n. Sitting ...yes.But it's hard for me.Easier driving it to feel the handle shake.The thing really buzzs when I gas it.I just dropped off the flywheel again. Try it again next week.In the meantime I found an engine builder called mopar madness.Here in co. Off eBay searching for an engine.Then out of the blue the balancer guy recommends them for advice if we don't get it.Or future needs. So we shall see...      I really hope I can fix it. But I'm ready to pull it whenever. If that's what it takes. :working:
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #111 on: December 17, 2010 - 07:29:05 PM »
    call MRL PERFORMANCE (517-569-2672) tell him your problem . MIKE only deals in mopars and knows his chit.he will give out the information according to your needs best of all hes honest! Bill
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #112 on: December 18, 2010 - 09:01:41 PM »
    Just a thought.....?
    When I balance an engine I give them the flywheel and pressure plate too? and install it the same way( I mark the holes and pressure plate)
    I'm wondering if your pressure plate is the cause?
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #113 on: December 18, 2010 - 09:39:39 PM »
    Yeah,I thought that too... So I brought it with for him to check this time.I'm going to call him Monday and double check what he's gonna do.I'm thinking to just tell him I want it with the one hole. But he was talking some removable counterweights to try...
    Going to be interesting! Thanks for the thought !
    R/T
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #114 on: December 18, 2010 - 10:41:56 PM »
    Robert,

    I think you're sticking with the wrong guy and I don't know why you are still using him. He couldn't understand the diagram to begin with, so why do you think he can do it now?  You now need a balanced flywheel, then have the one hole drilled to start over with. 

    My friend got a brand new flywheel and it was out of balance right out of the box. Yes the pressure plate should be balance also with the flywheel AFTER the flywheel gets balanced.  THEN you need the 1 hole drilled.
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    Rob

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    « Reply #115 on: December 19, 2010 - 09:12:56 AM »
    Ok well... Where would you take it? Send me their address and when I can afford a new one I'll send it there. Do I get the same flywheel? Neutral balance?  I hear your frustration trying to help me. You know what you're talking about. And when the guy drilled all those holes I knew it was done. People don't listen. The diagram was right there...drill the one hole. WTF!?  You guys have never steered me wrong,And I trust you.    So the best way is a new flywheel? That's what I'll do. Find a machinist who will do what I say. It's funny...we are both pissed. I really appreciate you taking the time. There has got to be someone around here that can do this properly.but I've asked and searched. Uhhhhhhgggggg :pullinghair: :banghead:I wish he would have just listened to me.Drill the one hole!you can always drill more.  :horse:
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #116 on: December 19, 2010 - 10:59:10 AM »
    I don't want to say that you should always just tell someone to do what you say when you're paying them, because you might run into a situation where they're right and you're wrong. For the future, my best advice is to get them to take the time to explain their reasoning to you. For example, you show up with a diagram for how to drill, he says that's not right, and you don't let him put bit to metal until he can tell you why it's not right.

    Just recently I took my Hyundai in for a problem. The service advisor called to tell me that I needed a $400 part...but he couldn't tell me how it would fix my problem. I politely declined. He got very frustrated with me, but his frustration is cheaper than a $400 part I might not need.
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #117 on: December 20, 2010 - 12:31:49 PM »
    I think your machinist should replace your flywheel at a minimum. If he had a diagram and still screwed it up, that should be on his dime.
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #118 on: December 20, 2010 - 04:25:34 PM »
    Here is the flywheel you stated that you have.  Neutrally balanced.  That was the correct one to start with. Then drilling the 1 hole per The Mopar Performance Manual, you should have been good to go.  I don't know how this guy could have read 8 holes out of the stuff in the diagram that I gave you.   ANYBODY with a drill press can drill the hole including yourself. Look at any drill press including the Harbor Freight cheapies and they have a gauge on the side to measure a 100th of an inch.
    « Last Edit: December 20, 2010 - 04:32:40 PM by ShelbyDogg »
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    Re: Vibrations ...nope,not yet...
    « Reply #119 on: December 20, 2010 - 06:27:06 PM »
    Yeah,I agree ...he should replace it. But that won't happen. So when I can afford a new one I'll hafta drill it myself. Everytime anyone does anything for me either on my car or on the job.it's sub-standard.Because 99.9% of people don't have any common sense. I won't call him...(he didn't call) this time. I'd prefer he keep it to remind himself to not be so dumb. It's probably screwed up anyways.Not worth the almost 2 hr. Round trip to go get it. Oh... Did I mention I'm pissed off!?    :horse:   
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