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Offline shadango

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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2010 - 05:29:19 PM »
that powder will destroy your car just like the fire, it just takes a bit longer...  :2cents:

Yeah we all talked about that before.

Still, I was told that for a halon extiguisher to work, you need a LARGE one....the small ones are just for show.....and the big ones are pricey plus where do you put them that is easy to get to but not in the way?

I had an ATV fire a while back and used the powder kind...that stuff does get EVERYWHERE.....




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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2010 - 06:59:36 PM »
that powder will destroy your car just like the fire, it just takes a bit longer...  :2cents:

Can you elaborate on that?
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2010 - 07:17:04 PM »
I guess if a guy was too lazy to clean the car up after a fire, the residue could cause a litte damage. I value my cars more than that.
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2010 - 08:14:30 PM »
Fire Extinguisher Agent can be Corrosive....
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2010 - 09:11:25 PM »
I guess if a guy was too lazy to clean the car up after a fire, the residue could cause a litte damage. I value my cars more than that.

If its an under hood fire I guess you could pressure wash......but if it were a dash fire, how would you clean that up??   :clueless:

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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2010 - 10:17:59 PM »
Fire Extinguisher Agent can be Corrosive....

I understand it is to soft metals, such as the copper in the connections it may get on and such. But small price to me versus losing the car. But I'm not too up on my fire extinguisher knowledge.
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2010 - 10:35:25 PM »
If its an under hood fire I guess you could pressure wash......but if it were a dash fire, how would you clean that up??   :clueless:

You would need to remove the dash and harness. It's not that difficult. I can have a dash and harness out of en e-body in about two hours or less.
Going back in takes about three hours. Not even a full days work and it would be well worth it. Like goody says...it's a small price to pay.
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2010 - 11:10:11 PM »
I understand it is to soft metals, such as the copper in the connections it may get on and such. But small price to me versus losing the car. But I'm not too up on my fire extinguisher knowledge.

Amen!  I had to put a hood fire out in a Pontiac 1000 back in 90-91 .... was worth it...even if it was not an E bod ... heck it was my ride!
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2010 - 03:05:53 AM »
Can you elaborate on that?

ok... that may be  a tad overdone, but stuff creeps into every corner of the car... I don`t see how one would get a car clean after that... and everything electric will be killed over time. I just meant to say, I would buy a CO2 filled fire extinguisher ,not one with powder. Repair fire damage & go  :2cents:
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2010 - 04:35:05 AM »
I have a fire extinguisher in every car I drive! :2thumbs: They're pretty much a requirement for any older car as far as I'm concerned. Old wiring, fuel and oil leaks, and more maintenance (ie, increased odds of me messing something up  ::) ) all mean a greater risk of fire. And then there's the value/rarity of the car, its not like you can just go out and pick out another E-body at the local dealer even if your insurance company covers the entire loss.

As far as powder vs CO2 - in order to reliably extinguish an automotive related fire with a CO2 extinguisher it would have to be HUGE (or your fire pretty darn small). CO2 extinguishers are great for sensitive equipment (computers etc), but they work by displacing oxygen. Once the extinguisher runs out, the oxygen returns, and everything that was on fire is usually still hot. The CO2 does usually form ice, and cools the air very well, but it vaporizes as soon as it gets anywhere near the fire, so it won't cool the burning objects. Especially true when you're dealing with hot metals. Most CO2 extinguishers are not even rated for class A combustibles (includes plastics). This is why they tell you to empty a CO2 extinguisher even after the flames go out, as the chances of re-ignition are higher than with any other extinguisher type. On fuel fires especially, even if you get the fire out, in short order you will have the exact same situation, spilled fuel, a hot car, and plenty of fuel vapor, and now no extinguisher.  They also have a limited range, as the gas will only go so far from the nozzle in high enough of a concentration to put out the fire. BTW, halon was banned awhile back, so unless you already have one, you won't be able to get one of those.

Dry chemical powder extinguishers are messy, don't get me wrong. But they isolate the fire from oxygen by creating a barrier that stays there long after the extinguisher has run out, so if you get the fire out, it usually stays out. Especially true for small fuel fires, the powder will isolate the fuel AND the fuel vapor, greatly reducing your chances of re-ignition. The most common type, the ABC rated extinguisher, usually contains monoammonium phosphate. This stuff is somewhat corrosive, and can damage electronic equipment. It's definitely not good for computers, but, in a non-circuit board environment (like most of our cars) I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yes, I'd still clean it up thoroughly, but I wouldn't stress about my car never being the same again. I definitely wouldn't be concerned if I fired it off in my engine compartment, which I've done before (not on the Chally fortunately). Under the dash is a little different, and it would be a pain to clean up, but most of the car fires I see (firefighter by trade) start in the engine compartment. And I'd rather have a dry chemical extinguisher for an engine compartment fire, hands down.

Bottom line, I'd rather have to spend some time cleaning up the dry chem powder than have to spend my time filing a claim with my insurance company.
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010 - 10:04:26 AM »
ok... that may be  a tad overdone, but stuff creeps into every corner of the car... I don`t see how one would get a car clean after that... and everything electric will be killed over time. I just meant to say, I would buy a CO2 filled fire extinguisher ,not one with powder. Repair fire damage & go  :2cents:

Electrical doesn't bother me, just wires. Getting it clean in places I'll never see doesn't either  :biggrin:

I do agree the Halons seem to be the best, but good lord they are expensive.
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Re: Close call !!! FIRE
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2010 - 10:08:58 AM »
What you need is a BC extinguisher....

Most Home Extinguishers are ABC

The A is for Paper wood etc... and in an electrical situation can shock the piss out of you, in a grease situation can cause a flare-up ... BC is truely a better deal.

I am willing to bet most of you have an ABC
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2010 - 10:09:59 AM »
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