Ok I'm getting REALLY sick of poor handling . What do you think about this?

[boydsdodge]

I might have big torsion bars for you.
To start I would get a set of firm feel uppers(it works out to the same price as rebuilding your old ones, then get the C-body tie rod ends, stay with rubber lower lower control arm bushings,
Everything that you install on the front end must be new, get new, get the good shocks from Firm Feel or Hotchkis(both are good to deal with, tell them Jackson from Toronto sent you.)
Your rear springs suck, sorry to tell you but if you don't want your car to fall on it's face lower the rear and the front to get your rake.
Give me a howler if you wqant to know whats laying around my shop

[72bluNblu]

I have no idea what the alignment is set at. It goes down the road really straight though.

My suggestion- before you spend a ton of money on tubular uppers and sway bars, get your alignment checked!!!!!!! 

Running down the road straight just means that your toe is set right (and you have no big cross camber/caster issues). Your caster and camber could easily be stock, or worse, incorrect.

I have my car set up with -.7 degrees of camber, +4 degrees of caster, and and 1/8" toe in. The negative camber makes a huge difference, especially coupled with modern tires.

Tubular arms are nice (I have a set), but even just a set of offset bushing should allow you to get close to the alignment numbers above. Your ESPO springs should be just fine, and 1" torsion bars are a good set up. Maybe still a little small for a 440, but waaaaay better than stock. Tires are HUGE. Compounds have changed completely, so, if you're not running modern tires, you're going to spend a ton of money on suspension mods and not notice a big difference.

I'd get new bushings (to eliminate slop from worn bushing and to get offset bushings to get the right alignment), shocks, and tires first, and get a proper alignment. From there, if you still feel the need to improve things, I'd go to improving the sway bars. Only after I did all that would I mess with the tubular arms again, or change the torsion bars. And I wouldn't mess with the K-member unless you're going race only.

[torredcuda]

Looking at your car I also think ride height is a factor with the rear raised up and the front  kinda low it is going to exagerate the push by putting more wieght on the front.My cuda is low both front and back keeping the weight bias good and overall enter of gravity much better.

[Chryco Psycho]

the big part of handling that gets missed is keeping the rear springs flat , try deflecting a flat bar sidways ,once they have an arc they deflect a lot easier

[brads70]

Agreed the rear springs are wrong for handling but they will have to do for now.They are new, so I don't want to replace them just yet. I'm gonna try the sways bars and shocks from Hotchkis between now and spring.
With the Hotchkis relocated upper, how much of a difference do you all think it will make? Meaning will I notice it on the street or is that an "all out" autocross thing?

[brads70]

Ok I'm about to pull the trigger on the Hotchkis sway bars,shocks, and upper control arms for $1495 with free shipping. ( to my inlaws in PA , I'm in Canada)
Has anyone seen a better price? 

Has anyone had any problems with this vendor?
http://www.mattsclassicbowties.com/contents/en-us/search.html?searchphrase=challenger%20hotchkis

[Chryco Psycho]

Call Hotchkiss directly , they offered me a good discount on he phone

[brads70]

Call Hotchkiss directly , they offered me a good discount on he phone

I just called them and they quoted me $1699.00 plus shipping!

[Strawdawg]

Ok I'm about to pull the trigger on the Hotchkis sway bars,shocks, and upper control arms for $1495 with free shipping. ( to my inlaws in PA , I'm in Canada)
Has anyone seen a better price? 

Has anyone had any problems with this vendor?
http://www.mattsclassicbowties.com/contents/en-us/search.html?searchphrase=challenger%20hotchkis

I did not shocks in his store...did he have them?

[brads70]

I did not shocks in his store...did he have them?

He is a Hotchkis dealer so he can get them . I'll ask him if he stocks them though?

[72hemi]

I know Matt's Classic Bowties. They are right up the street from me (well a couple of towns up, but not far). They are nice people there and provide really good pricing. They usually don't keep much of the Mopar stuff in stock, it usually is shipepd straight from the factory.

[brads70]

Thanks John! Great to know!  He has a bunch of stuff on E-bay for sale now, that's how I found him! 

[Strawdawg]

He is a Hotchkis dealer so he can get them . I'll ask him if he stocks them though?

Oh, I thought that was in your list that you posted on the price on 

[brads70]

Oh, I thought that was in your list that you posted on the price on 

Yep that price was for the 3 items , 4- shocks, 2-upper control arms , and both sway bars.

[ajantics]

I orderd all of my hotchkis stuff off of ebay from neverenough2003. They do the same thing as Matt's classic bowties. They ship the product directly from hotchkis to you. I had to email them for the sub frame connectors because it wasn't on the web site or ebay store but I was able to order the connectors from them. I still need to order the shocks though. Has anyone found a good price on those yet? Hotchkis has them listed for $400 for all 4 shocks.