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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2010 - 08:13:11 PM »
Yeah, that's the part that I missed somewhere alone the line too.

Oops, me too.  thought he was only in $10k.

Im gonna leave this thread wishing it would have never happened. Unreal. I wish you would call out the Ba$tard that screwed you so no one else gets shafted.
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2010 - 08:03:29 PM »
Call him out....here :2cents: :rebel:
I wish you would call out the Ba$tard that screwed you so no one else gets shafted and we can make his life Hell

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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #92 on: October 19, 2010 - 09:03:27 PM »
I find it odd....  here we have a willing buyer and willing seller and yet everyone says he got taken.  I agree he paid to much and the seller was smart to do the deal.  But when someone on here posts an ad asking too much for their car and says "if I don't get that much I'll just keep it" we all say good for you to get as much as you can.  Seems we might have a little double standard.  This thread for example....

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=72314.0

90K might seem like a good deal for a Hemi, but with how much is missing and still left to be done along with the fact it's a non numbers car with an after market hood anyone paying near that price will lose money on the car.  Just to rebuild a Hemi motor right will set you back a pretty penny and this project is still missing big money pieces like the 18 spline trans, 6 ways seats, carbs, and "lots of small parts".  This is just one example.

All of these cars are rare and hard to find so I'm not pretending they're dirt cheap, but anyone who has done a full restoration knows how much time and money it takes to do it right.  If you do a full restoration right, you can get upside down pretty easy.  However, most of us do this because we love to, not because we have to.  Sometimes we get lucky and make a little bit of money, but that's not the norm.  If you're looking for an investment, stay away from doing restorations.  They are a very tough way to make a buck.

I am in the market for a 71 so email me the pictures you have and maybe we can work something out.   I wish you the best and do not lose anymore sleep over this.  If this is the worst thing you ever do, you're not doing that bad.
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2010 - 09:52:58 PM »
I find it odd....  here we have a willing buyer and willing seller and yet everyone says he got taken.  I agree he paid to much and the seller was smart to do the deal.  But when someone on here posts an ad asking too much for their car and says "if I don't get that much I'll just keep it" we all say good for you to get as much as you can.  Seems we might have a little double standard.  This thread for example....

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=72314.0

90K might seem like a good deal for a Hemi, but with how much is missing and still left to be done along with the fact it's a non numbers car with an after market hood anyone paying near that price will lose money on the car.  Just to rebuild a Hemi motor right will set you back a pretty penny and this project is still missing big money pieces like the 18 spline trans, 6 ways seats, carbs, and "lots of small parts".  This is just one example.

All of these cars are rare and hard to find so I'm not pretending they're dirt cheap, but anyone who has done a full restoration knows how much time and money it takes to do it right.  If you do a full restoration right, you can get upside down pretty easy.  However, most of us do this because we love to, not because we have to.  Sometimes we get lucky and make a little bit of money, but that's not the norm.  If you're looking for an investment, stay away from doing restorations.  They are a very tough way to make a buck.

I am in the market for a 71 so email me the pictures you have and maybe we can work something out.   I wish you the best and do not lose anymore sleep over this.  If this is the worst thing you ever do, you're not doing that bad.


Very fine bit of wisdom, CODY! Great post!

This may not be worth much, but I'm just as far upside down in my 71 Cuda as mcemond is in his. If I ever want or need to sell the car, I could possibly get half or two-thirds of the dollars I've invested. I didn't realize the huge expense of building a Cuda until I was too far into the process to turn back. It's funny, though, at this juncture (now that my car is almost done), I really don't care. I'm just extremely excited to get the Cuda home and drive it.

I believe that if mcemond's intention wasn't to buy the car as an investment and if there weren't already such a bitter taste in his mouth about this particular purchase, he too could get to a point where he could forget about the cost and just be excited about the car itself.

In any case, I wish you good luck with whatever you do, mcemond.
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2010 - 12:03:42 AM »
I find it odd....  here we have a willing buyer and willing seller and yet everyone says he got taken.  I agree he paid to much and the seller was smart to do the deal.  But when someone on here posts an ad asking too much for their car and says "if I don't get that much I'll just keep it" we all say good for you to get as much as you can.  Seems we might have a little double standard.  This thread for example....

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=72314.0

90K might seem like a good deal for a Hemi, but with how much is missing and still left to be done along with the fact it's a non numbers car with an after market hood anyone paying near that price will lose money on the car.  Just to rebuild a Hemi motor right will set you back a pretty penny and this project is still missing big money pieces like the 18 spline trans, 6 ways seats, carbs, and "lots of small parts".  This is just one example.

All of these cars are rare and hard to find so I'm not pretending they're dirt cheap, but anyone who has done a full restoration knows how much time and money it takes to do it right.  If you do a full restoration right, you can get upside down pretty easy.  However, most of us do this because we love to, not because we have to.  Sometimes we get lucky and make a little bit of money, but that's not the norm.  If you're looking for an investment, stay away from doing restorations.  They are a very tough way to make a buck.

I am in the market for a 71 so email me the pictures you have and maybe we can work something out.   I wish you the best and do not lose anymore sleep over this.  If this is the worst thing you ever do, you're not doing that bad.
I too agree with this.  But, with the couple of points that I tried to help with, I didn't want to risk anymore "bad guy" labels that may have come with this posting of CODY's.
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2010 - 12:46:26 AM »
I wish you would call out the Ba$tard that screwed you so no one else gets shafted and we can make his life Hell


And the SOB that got the $500 finder fee!  :money:

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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2010 - 09:02:43 AM »
I have to agree with CODY on this one.  Yes, it does suck that he got taken for a ride on the price, but it is ALWAYS buyer beware.  The buyer should have taken more time to research prices and get more input.  If he had waited an extra 2 days he would have had all the details from this thread, and most likely would not have carried through with the purchase.  Why are we castrating a seller for trying to get top dollar for their item?  It's unfortunate that the seller is not allowing the buyer to back out of the deal, but again, that is his prerogative.  All the screams for calling out the seller are not right.  It is the buyer's responsibility to make sure what they are buying is properly valued and legit. 

As for Lemmon Laws, that's not going to apply to a 40 year old project car.  The only way he might be able to back out at this point and get money back would be if he can prove something was tampered with the VIN, and even then it is also possible the car will be seized and he will still be out his money.

I applaud mcemond for the way he has handled the whole situation, and certainly do not mean to  :bricks1: , but the onus is on the buyer to check everything out before money exchanges hands.  It's obvious he has learned a great life lesson, and it's time to move on, just like he has.
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2010 - 09:37:58 AM »
I'll "switch gears" a little here, yes, pun intended, and include this link in case anyone out there is interested, no mention of warranty but one might assume factory warranty is still in place

http://www.flemingsultimategarage.com/2009-dodge-challenger-srt8--c-1247.htm

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« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2010 - 12:52:53 PM »
What I find real odd....when someone overpays a few dollars at Jim's Auto on a part and shipping, that's all you hear is how bad Jim's Auto is. And the rant goes on, over a few bucks. Not a big deal.

Then on the other end of the scale:
Here we have a guy that's out up to $15,000 to $25,000 and in the hole,
and the mentality of a few is "You don't want to know who the seller is".
Well maybe we do!
Give him the PR that he deserves for over $15+++ Thousand ripped off and taken advantage of someone, just like Jims Auto over a couple bucks.
Why is the Seller being protected and not outed unless maybe he and his friends are members here?
Yet there's no hesitation outing Jim's?

A Double standard???

Doesn't make sense.

Give your head a shake!

Maybe the Seller and his shop are in the pics provided as there are 2 to 4 different Cuda's shown in the images.
Must be a real wheeler dealer. Maybe 4 more high priced ripoff 'Cuda deals coming our way from this honest seller! LOL
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2010 - 03:56:46 PM »
Is this the overpriced car that has been on craigslist for years? Just curious why you would come on to a forum full of knowledgeable members looking for a car and offering a finders fee, then jump the gun on a project car without even posting pics here for all us to give you feedback on.   :clueless:

And for the record, I took a bath on a car I bought from a member here about 5 years ago, wish I had of posted all the pictures here first.   :banghead:

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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2010 - 04:00:50 PM »
Is this the overpriced car that has been on craigslist for years? Just curious why you would come on to a forum full of knowledgeable members looking for a car and offering a finders fee, then jump the gun on a project car without even posting pics here for all us to give you feedback on.   :clueless:


I thought about that scenario too, and maybe the whole story is just a hoax and never happened? No pics after deliver, no VIN or fender tag pics,...
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2010 - 04:03:31 PM »
I find it odd....  here we have a willing buyer and willing seller and yet everyone says he got taken.  I agree he paid to much and the seller was smart to do the deal.  But when someone on here posts an ad asking too much for their car and says "if I don't get that much I'll just keep it" we all say good for you to get as much as you can.  Seems we might have a little double standard. 

Been thinking about this since you posted it. In some ways, I think you're right. I'm a die-hard capitalist, and I support people making money.

On the other hand, there are people who place more importance on making money over treating people fairly, and people who place more importance on treating people fairly over making money. I can't say where the dividing line is, either in dollar amounts or in behavior. All I can say with any certainty is which group I'd rather crack a beer with.


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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2010 - 04:18:47 PM »
Here's another situation to think about. Someone is selling a very rare and expensive car, say a 71 hemi cuda convertible and has no idea what it is worth and someone who knows what its worth buys it for say $5000 and turns around and sells it for over a million. Should the person who bought the car and flipped not done so and explained to the seller what the car was really worth?  :dunno:
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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2010 - 05:11:13 PM »
Seems like many are concerned with who's at fault here.  That would be the Buyer; for many reasons that I don't feel like taking the time to list.  It's not like the Buyer didn't know that he was buying a fixer-upper.  Quite frankly, if it was advertised for $32k and bought for $32k, I see no fault to the Seller. :sleeping:
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Re: 30k + $500 finder fee
« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2010 - 06:05:27 PM »
Here's another situation to think about. Someone is selling a very rare and expensive car, say a 71 hemi cuda convertible and has no idea what it is worth and someone who knows what its worth buys it for say $5000 and turns around and sells it for over a million. Should the person who bought the car and flipped not done so and explained to the seller what the car was really worth?  :dunno:

For me, that situation is very context sensitive. If there's a 71 Hemi Cuda and the owner is-

-a widow whose husband bought the car and parked it years later, and she's on welfare and about to lose her house, I'd feel compelled to tell her what she had.

-a guy in the Hamptons who has his butler show me the car because he's busy entertaining Halle Berry on his yacht, I write a check and take the car home.

Not that I think the damage to the rich guy is, overall, any less. I've known several very wealthy people in my life; my father-in-law was a billionaire (sadly, none of this rubbed off on me). And while I would think, from my standpoint, that he had "enough" money, what I learned about him, and many of the other wealthy people I've known, is that each dollar is like a child, and the loss of a single dollar was like the death of a child. I was privy to a deal in which a guy lost $100,000 (out of a personal fortune of roughly 25 million), and he was miserable, couldn't get over it.

But, I wouldn't be affecting the quality of the rich guy's life. He'd be doing that himself, by not being able to let go. I would be affecting the quality of the widow's life, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it.


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