OK my problem was a vacuum leak, if I shoot starting fluid under the right side of the intake the engine speeds up and smooths out. this probably explains the white plugs there as well.
So I have one fiber gasket on top of the valley pan, removing fiber that is going to change things I'm not sure for the better or worse,the leak is on the bottom and it's sucking air not oil and since the starting fluid worked I have to think it's from above the pan. should I pull the vally pan as well anyway or just work on top of it? what is the best sealer to use?