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Offline hot440roddin

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8 3/4 assemblies
« on: October 08, 2010 - 08:26:57 AM »
I probably already know the answer to this but I'd figure I'd ask anyway... Just to be sure more or less..
Are all 8 3/4 axles the same as far as diameter and spline count from the factory? Now I know the primary differences are in axle length and bolt pattern spacing. What I'm looking to do is change my 3.23 open center section with a taller gear and locker assembly, basically switch one for the other. My current is a 489 case ('72) and not sure what the guy I'm speaking with has, waiting on that reply. He came across a few more lately and said he'd be willing to let one go to me, I just want to make sure that they will interchange before I commit to a buy... As I said, I'm sure they will due to certain facts, but why not make sure... ::)




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Re: 8 3/4 assemblies
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010 - 09:02:24 AM »
Some info I saved for some reason

Interchange Notes:

Any 8-3/4" center section may be interchanged for another as an entire assembly, with the exception of center sections manufactured prior to model year 1964 (See Section 1: "Thrust Block Variations").

Sure Grip:
Sure Grip is the Chrysler name for a limited slip differential. It was optional on the 8-3/4" axles, 1958-1974. Two styles were used.

1958-1969 used the Dana Power-Lok (# 2881487). This unit utilized clutches for the differential locking action. The Power-Lok can be rebuilt using kit # 2070845 ( Mopar Performance [MP] # P4529484 ). In this assembly, axle driveshaft end thrust is taken by the thrust block assembly (replacement # 2881313). This Sure Grip appeared in the '741' and '742' assemblies. The axle bearings are: 25590 (Timken cone), and 25520 (Timken cup), (Chrysler numbers 1790523 and 696403). The Dana Power-Lok can be recognized by its bolt-together assembly, bolts around the side opposite the ring gear, and multiple openings exposing the cross shafts.

1969-1974 used the Borg Warner Spin Resistant (# 2881343). This unit utilized a spring-preloaded cone friction arrangement for the locking action. Axle end thrust is taken by the cross shaft. This Sure Grip appeared in '489' assemblies and 70 and later '741'/'742' assemblies. The differential axle bearings are: LM 104912 (Timken cone), and LM 104949 (Timken cup), (Chrysler numbers 2852729 and 2852728). The Borg Warner Spin Resistant unit can be recognized by its lack of bolts on the side opposite the ring gear (like the Dana), and two openings exposing the preload springs. Borg Warner sold this design to Auburn Gear who currently offers the replacement Sure Grip assemblies.

Non-Sure Grip differentials can be identified by the large openings in the differential exposing the differential (aka. spider) gears. There are no springs or clutches.

Interchange Notes:

The two Sure Grip types can be interchanged between the carriers if the matching differential axle bearings are retained. The outside diameter of the cups are the same between the '741'/'742' and the '489'; the inner cone differs.

The Sure Grip differential can be used as a direct replacement for the non-Sure Grip within the carrier/bearing limits previously noted.

There is an interchange problem with differentials and axles manufactured prior to 1964 (See Part II, Section 1: "Thrust Block Variations").

Universal Joint Yokes

The 8-3/4" axle was offered with two size cross & roller style universal joint. These are referred to as the '7260' (2-1/8" yoke ID) and the '7290' (2-5/8" yoke ID). Most Imperials and some C-bodies used a different universal joint. The '1330' type joint was used on Imperials and others with a constant velocity joint. The '1330' uses outside snap rings instead of the inside snap rings used by the '7269' and '7290'. The cap diameter for the '7260' is 1.078". The cap diameter for the '7290' is 1.126". The '1330' style joint cap diameter is 1.063".

There are four different yokes that have been used with the 8-3/4" axle for the '7260' and '7290' style universal joints. The '741'/'742' assemblies used a coarse spline (10 splines) drive pinion. Most of the aftermarket gears also use this coarse spline yoke mount. There is a small yoke for the '7260' and a larger one for the '7290'. The '489' assembly used a fine spline (29 splines) yoke. Note: during the phase-in period of 69-71 for the '489' unit, there were several permutations of pinion size and yoke availability. 69-70 '489' units may be equipped with a coarse (10) spline pinion, particularly for the '7290'. There are two yokes for the '7260' and '7290' universal joints with fine (29) splines. Two additional yokes were used for the '1330' style universal joint in constant velocity applications, one for 10 splines and one for 29 splines.

Interchange Notes:

7260, 7290, 1330 yokes may be interchanged if the spline count is the same.

Note: the 9-1/4" axle (73-up) uses the same fine spline yokes as the 8-3/4" fine spline units (29 splines).

Strength Considerations

Pinions:
The 1-3/8" '741' pinion is the weakest. It is still a capable unit in most moderate power, moderate traction street applications. For high torque applications with high traction tires, the 1-3/4" or 1-7/8" should be considered.

The 1-7/8" '489' is supposedly the strongest. Although the stem tapers down along it's length, it appears inherently stronger from a pinion stem perspective and the inherent strength of the fine splines (OEM gears). The 1-3/4" '742' has a larger rear pinion bearing yielding greater strength in this area. The 1-3/4" shares yoke mount diameter and mounting nut with the 1-3/8".

For perspective, the 7-1/4" has a 1-3/8" pinion, the 8-1/4 has a 1-5/8" pinion, the 9-1/4" (70s) has a 1-7/8" pinion.

Sure Grips:
The Dana Power-Lok is inherently stronger and provides better, equal torque transmission to both axles. It's locking capability is also proportionate to the applied torque. The Borg Warner unit is weaker, but is a more versatile unit for practical street applications in inclement traction periods. The Dana unit is better for racing applications and has clutch rebuild kits available.
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Re: 8 3/4 assemblies
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010 - 12:09:31 PM »
short answer is yes the axle diameter & spline count will  be the same unless it has a race spool ordered special with a unique spline count & diameter

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Re: 8 3/4 assemblies
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010 - 02:27:13 PM »
Bullitt, thanks for posting all that :smokin:

short answer is yes the axle diameter & spline count will  be the same unless it has a race spool ordered special with a unique spline count & diameter
I figured that the factory stuff was the same as far as diameters.... I usually don't go past '66 on parts depending on what they are... As for aftermarket, that can be a whole other world in amongst itself :lol:. Right now I'm waiting to see what casting #'d housings he's got, said he'd get the info to me shortly so I'm waiting on the time. I should have a 489 case laying around somewhere (unless I got rid of it) came out of the '69 Charger R/T I used to have, I messed the carrier (open) up.... The 3.23 gears and case were fine though... Came across with a local guy who had the same exact thing (wish it was s.g. though ::) ) for hardly a penny, so I just switched them out and went with it.... Now that one is gone and I've moved on, the cam I'm going to be running will like a 3.91 more than a 3.23 imho.... Time will tell all...

Once again, thanks for the replies. :thumbsup: