Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!

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Offline EFI-Cuda

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Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!
« on: November 12, 2004 - 01:07:08 PM »
Well, I did it.     I fuel injected my Cuda.   Not using an expensive aftermarket EFI set up.     I did it mainly using junkyard parts.    Inexpensive EFI is possible for small-block mopars.

I was always a Mopar-guy, but I did spend about 5 years pushing the limits of Ford’s EFI system in the late model 5.0 Mustangs.     I had a 550 horse-power, daily driven Mustang using the factory Ford EFI system.    I did a lot of things that pushed the limits of the stock computer system, and I was amazed at how versatile and adaptive their mass-air system performed.    The Mustang’s EFI system can adapt and adjust to perform optimally under a vast range of variables like cam changes, head changes, cubic inch changes and supercharging.    I figured that their system could be adapted to my Cuda's 360 for much less than buying an aftermarket EFI system.     Obviously, I had to do some fabrications and modifications to get the system to work on a Mopar engine, but I did it with the help of some really cool Ford engineers.

By the way, ALL aftermarket EFI systems are some version of speed density which requires you to tune or manually program the fuel tables for the engine to operate.    This might require an expensive wide band O2 sensor or some dyno time to get the programming optimal.    Any significant change to the engine like a cam change would require re-programming.    The Ford system uses a mass air sensor and essentially tunes itself to run optimally.

I am impressed with the results of the conversion and how nicely a sequential fuel injection system performs on my Cuda's 360.    I am still testing and experimenting with my Cuda, and I will post performance and mileage results later.

Below is the before and after picture of the engine.

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« Last Edit: November 12, 2004 - 01:51:28 PM by 1974Cuda360 »
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Re: Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004 - 01:11:07 PM »


Here is one more picture.

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2004 - 01:11:41 PM »
now that is sweet.


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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004 - 01:25:09 PM »
That takes some vision.  I'm really impressed.  how "inexpensive" are we talking?

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004 - 01:46:24 PM »
The conversion definitely cost me a bit since I was poineering this project.    I encountered all the hurdles associated with taking this project from theroy (on paper) to reality (under the hood).     Even the Ford engineers told me that this had not been done before.    They said that it was attemped but not completed with this level of success.     My guess is that this conversion could be completed for about $1,500.00 bucks, perhaps less.     Almost all of the components are available new.    Just look in any of the adds in a Mustang magazine or going to your local auto parts store.     Keeping costs down will require getting most of the parts used from a junk yard, ebay or etc.     

My costs were also higher because I am planning to supercharge this engine the way that I did on my 550 HP Mustang.     So my fuel lines, fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump and injectors are all overkill for a naturally aspirated EFI engine.     The 5.0 Mustang engine is soooo popular that getting stuff for this project cheap is really not a problem.     

My engine is all Mopar, but it has a Ford brain that makes 40,000 calculations per second.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2004 - 01:54:23 PM by 1974Cuda360 »
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004 - 01:57:02 PM »
ohhhhhhh  it's tainted.....  Just kidding.  Anyway.  Thats amazing.  Are the Ford EFI's better?  I sould assume that one from a Magnum Mopar would have required less fabrication.  Why not go this route? 

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004 - 02:06:42 PM »
Doesn't the Ford MAF need a sync pulse from the distributer? How did you adapt this to a mopar distributer?
I remember seeing in Hot Rod magazine a year or so ago a Charger with a Ford MAF on a 440.



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Re: Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004 - 02:36:01 PM »
I will drop my Cuda off next week and expect it to be done by the next week. Got it. and thanks
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004 - 03:13:05 PM »
The Magnum’s EFI is not as adaptive or as versatile as Ford’s EFI.     One of the main reasons that the late model 5.0 engine is so popular is because of the computer system.   Mustang guys can make all kinds of modifications and changes to their engines (heads, cams, stroker kits, superchargers etc.) and the computer system says “bring it on”.     Try to order an aftermarket cam for a Magnum V-8 and Comp Cams and Crane Cams will tell you that your cam selection is restricted to the cams that won’t offend the computer.    The Magnum’s computer system needs a certain vacuum signal for the computer to function properly.    If you get radical, you will need an aftermarket EFI system anyway.

With the Ford's EFI you can basically run what you like, as long as the fuel system (injector size, fuel pump size) and the air intake (throttle body, mass air sensor) are large enough to support your engine’s horse-power level.    The computer can do the rest.

Now, there was a 440 Charger that ran a Ford EFI setup.   I spoke to him personally and he was still trying to get some bugs worked out.    His 440 was stroked to a 496 I believe and he was having some issues with it.    I don’t know the particulars of his setup.    I know that the setup that I have works great on a small block Mopar.     I'd like to talk to him again.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2004 - 10:41:58 AM by 1974Cuda360 »
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004 - 05:47:26 PM »
What kind of intake manifold is this with the setup your using?
Is the edelbrock multi port fuel injection setup better/easier for the money then to go through all the fab for for say someone not very experienced with Computers.mass airs, and sensors?

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2004 - 08:15:38 PM »
The Edelbrock EFI system for the small block mopar is $2,500.00 to $2,700.00 and is a bank to bank system (meaning that all the injectors on one side fire at once then the next bank of injectors fire all at once).     The Ford system is sequential port and is self adjusting.     It might be simpler to use an aftermarket system, but I believe that the factory Ford system has some advantages that are hard to ignore including the price.     

I would'nt advise a person with no real knowledge of EFI to undergo this type of project without guideance.    Eventually, I'll have to simplify how I did the conversion and make it available for others.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2004 - 12:13:46 AM »
waiting patienty for the "how to" to come out.
going to be building a stroked 400. also contemplating going with a supercharger, or turbo setup. can get the hp without the high compression so i can run on pump gas.
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Re: Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2004 - 12:53:22 AM »
has anyone used a water injector, like the one that I think its procharger , the bob@superchargerstore has

run more boost on pump gas ?
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2004 - 01:12:20 AM »
bunch of guys on a board i used to belong  to used them with great success.


was the stealth/3kgt guys. most were on  turbo cars. a few guys had them on their na cars, but most of us had turbos.

 dropped off the board when got to be mostly flames/social with no tech. heard they started a new site with new rules so they could drop you after 1 bad post.
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Re: Inexpensive-budget EFI option that rocks!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2004 - 12:02:59 PM »
Intersting,

I would still adapt the Mopar EFI system myself for a mild small block street engine, as guys have beem modding there Ram trucks for years now.

But the One advantage I see with the Ford system is the Mass air flow sensor vs The MAP sensor, so it truly sees how much air is going through the engine and can compensate accordingly.

I am still waiting for a system I can hide effectively to look stock and run like it should!
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