74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel

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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011 - 11:08:13 PM »
Fine work you are doing!  :2thumbs:  It looks like you are going to run out of things to do soon!
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2011 - 08:15:46 PM »
Still finishing up the door and quarter glass install, resolving glass fit issues.  The drivers door glass was too far outboard at the rear/bottom.  There is adjustment under the door to move the top of the glass inboard/outboard, but the glass at the rear bottom didn't fit flush with the quarter glass.  I had moved the qtr glass outboard with its upper adjustment stud, but stopped before totally compressing the qtr glass outside weatherstrip.
So the fix was to add 3 washers (total thickness 1/4 inch) under the top attach point for the door glass rear vertical track.  The lower attach point for the track (under the door) did not really change much.  So adding the washers move the "bottom" of the door glass inboard.  The door glass still contacts the outside horizontal weatherstrip, and fits mostly flush with the front chrome trim on the qtr glass.
First pic shows stack of washers taped in place so the track with washers can be inserted up and into the door.  Second pic shows finished glass fit between door glass & qtr glass.
Need to move the passenger door glass aft just a little by moving the top of forward vertical track aft at its adjustment, then it should be good to go.
Having a gap issue between the qtr glass outside weatherstrip (Metro brand) and the roof seal for the qtr glass.  Will let you know what works out.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2011 - 07:36:48 AM »
FANTASTIC job ! ! ! ! ! ! !
GREAT car ! ! ! ! !

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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2011 - 09:43:53 PM »
Finished installing the interior, waiting on a replacement for one of the inside lock handle pivots.  All door glass fits and works well, when rolling up the rear quarter glass they are a little fussy when initially gliding past the lip of the roof bulb seal, but good enough.  Adjusted both door latch pin locations, and had to tweek the drivers door lower hinge to have the doors close smooth and latches glide into place scuff-free.

Fired the engine for the first time since it was assembled last summer, to break in the flat tappet cam using Joe Gibbs break in oil.  The engine ran great and sounded good, but now for the issues:

During the 20 minute @ 2000 rpm cam break in two lifters wiped out their lobes because of no rotation, and one of the remaining lifters that was rotating wore the lifter face to a cup shape as if the lifter face material was too soft, or not hardened properly.  The hydraulic cam & lifters were made by Bullet. 
So the fix is to install an Engle cam that was made by the original company, not the guys using the Engle name now.  I will be contacting a supplier of  USA made Hylift/Johnson lifters, and if no luck there I will try a set of Comp cam lifters that I have.  I have used Comp lifters in the past with good results when mated to Lunati Voodoo cams.

Both head gaskets were seeping drips of water.  I had installed Felpro Q1008 which have pre-flattened combustion chamber wire to avoid brinelling the aluminum cylinder heads, but the rest of the gasket was a very hard material, maybe that’s why they were leaking. I don’t like adding stop leak to seal head gaskets, especially on a new engine.  So I will be using Edelbrock #7326 head gaskets which have a sticky surface coating on them.  Another good choice I have used in the past is Felpro #Q8553PT blue colored gaskets, they always seal well.
Tearing the heads off is when I found the bad cam lobes and lifters.

Hooker super comp headers were leaking between the header flange and center two pair of primary pipes. A straight edge showed the header flange was not flat.  The fix was to cut out the header flange on each side of the center pair of pipes which will allow each pipe or pipe pair to be pulled down against the cylinder head when the flange bolts are tightened.   

So the heads are back on with fresh head gaskets, headers are back in place, radiator and engine timing cover are coming off next for the cam swap.
I’m zeroing in on tires.  Boy does that car sit low to the ground, barely room for a trouble light to roll underneath.  Were talking just over 4 ½ inches clearance to the header collector pipes.  For the roads I have around here this minimum ground clearance is not a good thing, exhaust and such will be damaged.  So I’m looking for a taller tire, and have ordered forward leaf spring hangers for Mopar super stock springs.  The flanges where the leaf spring attach points holes go are longer than stock, so I can cut off the “extra’ and the plan is to lower the attach points for the leaf spring front bolts which will add to the car’s ride height.  Kind of opposite what most folks are doing with lowering their cars.  How can I drive thru the ditches like Kowalski if there’s no ground clearance :)  They went thru 4 cars making that movie.
I was going to go with BF Goodrich radial T/A tires, but they are on back order, so decided to go with off the shelf tires. The local tire shop mounted up a tire on one of my new Bassett DOT rims, the tire fit front and rear, was tall enough, but looked to skinny, so they are getting in a tire closer to the BFG sizes.  Will try that out next.
Photo shows the face of the Bullet lifter.
 
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011 - 09:21:45 AM »
looks great, keep up the good work

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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011 - 08:29:18 PM »
Finished reassembling the engine.  Stayed with the 1.6 rocker ratio common to the magnum cylinder heads.  Cam installed has 270/270 seat duration, 227/227 duration at .05 lift, and .501 lift. Including 1.6 rocker ratio. Went with single pattern cam because of headers, mandrel bent exhaust pipes, and straight thru mufflers.  Decided to set the rocker arms at TDC for each cylinder in firing order, rather than Intake@exh start to open, and Exhaust@intake finishes closing.   This way only rotated the engine 2 revolutions.   I did not use the TDC method on the Lunati Voodoo cam in my truck, had no issues with it, but it did not have extra rocker ratio added, and did not have the oil pan back off after oil priming.
Engine fired instantly as before.  After cam break in set the carb throttle plates for “square” transfer slot showing below throttle plates, but engine is after-running a little.  Can’t slow the idle down much more (reducing dist advance) because the engine is already idling fairly rough due to the 227* duration at .05 lift.  So will try reducing the amount of transfer slot, should help not having so much air available.
The Redline oil pressure gauge is reading zero at engine idle.  I know there is oil pressure, the oil light is not coming on…so I’ll check idle oil pressure with a Snap-On gauge.  The temp gauge and volt gauge “hunt” together swinging thru mid-range, maybe due to the solid state voltage limiter I installed.  I’ll replace it with an OEM mechanical limiter and see if it cures the problem   Also notice the temp gauge reads fairly high near the top of the “normal” zone, yet the thermometer shows coolant temp is only 174*F with 180* thermostat.
With the short dynomax turbo mufflers under the back seat and magnaflow round mufflers along side the gas tank the car is not too loud.  Sounds good really, but need to hear it when driving down the road.
Retightened all bolts that had gaskets under them, such as oil pan, intake manifold, etc. when engine had cooled down.  All these bolts will need retorquing.  Will remove headers and retorque cylinder head bolts at about 1000 miles.  I'd do it sooner but its a hassle to get to some of them.
I’ll be running the drive train for 3-4 miles with the rear axle up on jack stands to break in the NOS 3.23 ratio ring and pinion gears.  I’ll check the differential pumpkin outside temp after the run to see how warm it gets.  Need to do some easy driving for a few miles after that to finish breaking in the gears.
The snow is too deep to drive this low-slung car out the driveway, and temp was -21F this AM, so need to wait a little longer to run the car on the roads.  When it warms up a little I’ll hook up the O2 sensor to verify carb fuel mixture for all engine speeds.

First pic shows the coolant temperature with engine warmed up and idling.  Second pic is with engine idling shows the air inlet breather for the PCV system.  Air is being drawn into the system which is holding the piece of paper towel to the breather inlet.  This means that the moly rings are mostly sealed after only a little over 1 hour of engine break in time (no road time yet).  If the rings were not sealed there will be pressure out of the breather and the paper towel would fall off.  Quick ring sealing is the beauty of moly rings and good cylinder plateau finish.  On the first few runs on the road I’ll still push the engine kinda hard thru the gears to further seat the rings.  There is a mountain pass 15 miles out of town, I usually run engine rebuilds up/down the pass a dozen times.  Helps seat the rings and any overheating/coolant issues will show themselves.
Third pic shows the Moroso lifter valley baffle, should help keep oil down on the cam and off the underside of the intake manifold to help keep it cooler.  Last pic shows the finished engine idling.
Next is to install the tachometer, hook up and flush the power steering pump, hook up heater core hoses, and experiment with body/suspension ride height.  Tires should be here this week, the tire shop is mounting them, letting me fit them on the car, and return them if I don't like how they fit.   Need to rebuild the 4 speed in the ¾ ton truck before summer, and put a new timing belt in the Toyota V6.  Plus its ski season and tax time so there lots to do.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2011 - 10:20:45 PM »
Have the car running a little better.  A couple weeks ago ran the car in the shop on jack stands for 3 miles to break in the NOS 3.23 ratio ring and pinion gears.  Set the front wheel toe-in with a tape measure to 3/16 inch.  Have appt for wheel alignment next week.
Oil pressure checked out at 30 psi at idle, and 65 psi max.  That is with Melling std volume/pressure oil pump.  New cam bearings really make the difference for good oil pressure at idle. 
Next worked on the vehicle ride height.  Noticed that on 1968-70 satellite and chargers you can see the front spring bolt for the leaf springs (the bolt center is below the bottom flange of the qtr panel); as compared the E-body bolt which is buried up into the unibody.
So purchased mopar super stock spring hangers; they have extra material for the “shorter” SS springs, and the flange widths are considerably thicker than stock.  Drilled new bolt holes as low as possible, leaving ¾ inch of material below the finished hole, just like the factory cut SS holes.  Cut off the excess, painted, and bolted them in.  Also noticed the heavy duty leaf springs I had purchased had the extra leafs for right rear traction, but they also had much more of the main leaf unsupported, which let the spring sag and arc the wrong way…maybe due to the extra 140 lb of rear weight I added to the trunk with the battery back there.
So cut the eyes of each end of the original main leaf, and added the shorted leafs in-place of the second leaf on the heavy duty springs….so have 2 leafs running full length.   The ride will be stiffer, and if too stiff it will affect the leafs ability to flex and apply traction.  Having 2 full length leafs worked out real well on the 340 Duster I had years ago.  I looked at a ’68 satellite wagon in the parts yard.  It had 2 leafs full length to the front spring hanger, and the second leaf stopped about 8 inches short of full length in the back.  So if the challenger is too stiff over bumps I may cut the back 6-8 inches off the second leaf.
The leaf springs have some arch overall, and fairly flat at the front. I reset the torsion bars for the front of the car ½ inch nose up to help clearance with the exhaust headers. I gained 1 inch ride height doing all this.  Doesn’t seem like much but I started with only a little over 4 inches, so much better IMO.

For tires installed 235/60-R15 Mickey Thompson sportsman; ordered them from Summit racing.  Mounted on 15x7 Basset racing wheels, they offer DOT approved rim thickness so went with that. Need 45 degree lug nuts to go with the wheels, also need 1 inch socket to fit the lug nuts.

Next problem, the engine vacuum at idle is only about 8 inches vacuum.  I asked questions, and was told to up the ignition advance at idle; I was told this helps engine vacuum and gives a nice ‘snap’ to engine acceleration.   So now have it set at 16* BTC at idle, with 36* total at 2400 rpm.   The extra advance at idle helped to stop the engine after-running when shutting the engine down, even though idle rpm was only 750 rpm was having some after running.  Looked into engine vacuum loss at higher elevations above sea level; internet search said loose 1 inch for every 1000 foot elevation.  So I’m down 5 inches at my altitude.  The power brakes sort of work.  I’m concerned of the wife or boy driving the car, so ordered a custom cam from Lunati, with 112 lobe separation.
Studied up on the vacuum problem by re-reading my books by David Vizard.  The problem is the increased rocker arm ratio that goes with the magnum style cylinder heads…this ratio increase messes with the valve overlap, and makes the cam more ‘cammy’.   Going from 1.5 to 1.6 rocker ratio increased the valve overlap area ‘triangle’ by 8%.  The 50 degrees overlap has not changed, but the area within the triangle has increase because the valves are being opened faster with the 1.6 rocker arms.
I did not want to try a mopar 904 cam lobe combined with 1.6 rocker ratio, so instead went with Lunati lobe H220, mid-lift lobe family, very streetable…wont’ be hard on valve train.  Also added the extra hard nitride treatment to the cam lobes.  They said the cam will take about 3 weeks.
The cam in the car now is Comp 270H, sort of a mild version of Engle K56. Lots of folks running the 270H with 1.5 rocker ratio and very happy with performance and valve train life.
Comparing specs for the 270H (1.5 rocker ratio) vs  H220 (1.6 rocker ratio), both single pattern cams:
270H:  270*seat, 224* @.05 lift, 135*@.20 lift, .470 valve lift, 110 LSA, 50*overlap
H220:  270* seat, 223*@.05 lift, 137*@.20 lift, .496 valve lift, 112 LSA, 46*overlap

Note the 137*@.2 is real close to the 138* that a voodoo 904 lobe #VH43 has, so the H220 with 1.6 rocker will be close to a 904 lobe/1.5 rocker.

Right now with the 1.6 rocker ratio, the 270H has 227*@.05, and acts like 54*overlap, so ordered the H220 with wider lobe separation.  According to Vizard the 2*wider LSA will make up for the rocker ratio increase, and recover the lost vacuum.  Hope it all works out as intended.
The first photo is the front hanger for leaf springs.  On the left is super stock hanger, in the middle is the modified SS hanger, and on right is oem E-body hanger.  The next pics are the car out side under its own power for the first time in 6 years.  I drove it around a little…it wants to go for sure.  Next week with the wheels aligned, I’ll check O2 sensor readings then run the car over the mountain passes to seat the piston rings while waiting for the new cam.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2011 - 07:05:59 AM »
very nice kowalski would be proud :wow:

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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2011 - 09:55:23 AM »
She's Looking Great Phil...... One question, the modified front spring hanger does not look much different than stock. How much did this change by itself effect the rear ride height?

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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2011 - 05:52:11 PM »
Awesome Phil!  :2thumbs:  It's good to see the pic of it sitting outside!
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2011 - 05:54:49 PM »
One question, the modified front spring hanger does not look much different than stock. How much did this change by itself effect the rear ride height?
Part of what started the whole idea was seeing photos of Chargers, they sit much higher off the ground, so got me thinking what geometry was different; could I do something similar.  The Charger front spring eye is easily visible below the weld flange of the unibody/front end of rear qtr panel.  So I was trying to copy that.  I asked a cc forum member for two measurements on his charger from front & rear spring eyes to ground level so I could compare geometry before I started messing with it...but received no reply.

The 'heavy duty' springs, on the drivers side have a long length of single leaf; longer than the original springs that came on the car.  So without modifying the spring stack, I would say the hanger change did nothing because the single leaf just bent over further.... I guess the shorter length from spring eye to axle causes more bending of the front portion of the spring.
To do it again, I would skip the 'heavy duty' springs, and just tweek the original leaf springs that came on the 318 V8 car.  The original leafs had more arc to each leaf, and were designed to carry load better IMO, due to the additional spring arc and less single leaf at each end of the spring stacks.

So the whole thing was an experiment...not sure if it was worth it, I did gain ride height but not what I expected.  I did not realize just how 'flat' the new springs were...comparing leaf for leaf...each leaf had half or less the arc of the original springs that came on the car.   Once the engine is broke in I"ll see how good the rear tires hook to the pavement.  As mentioned I did this years ago on a 340 Duster, but the 'heavy duty' springs were OEM off a '68 R/T.  I don't remember them being so "flat" as this made in mexico stuff.  In fact the Duster sat high in the rear, and jumped like a rabbit when you nailed the gas pedal.
That gives me an idea...some day I'll dig thru the local parts yard, see if I can find some OEM performance springs in good condition and get rid of the mexico springs.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2011 - 04:16:16 PM »
Wheel alignment and first 140 miles:
Front wheel alignment:  Had initially set all upper control arm adjuster eccentrics at mid –point.  Result was minus .4 degrees for LH/RH camber.  This was real close to spec, so showed both front frame rails were still straight and true.  That’s good.
Had installed offset bushings for upper control arms.  Even with these bushings the maximum caster that could be reached was only 3 degrees; which is more than stock, but nowhere close to the 6-8 degrees recommended on the cc forum.  How did the car drive at highway speeds?  Steering was definitely quick and responsive, maybe a little touchy, took some getting used to.  Maybe I’m too used to rack& pinion.  I had installed the Federal type power steering pump that is a two stage pump to help reduce steering response at highway speeds.

Put 140 miles on the car.  Here is where were at so far.
Camshaft results for 270H cam:  The 1.6 rocker ratio definitely moved the cam’s operating range up at least 500 rpm. Strong torque did not come in until 3000 rpm, with much weaker engine performance off the line and below 2500 rpm.  As you slowed down in gear below 1500 rpm the engine would start bucking.  So for street use the 270H with 1.6 rocker ratio is too much cam for 3.23 axle gears.
Internet searching says the overlap is what really defines the engines operating characteristics.   The 270 cam has 50 degrees overlap.  The replacement cam I ordered from Lunati has 46* overlap.  Hope this is enough change.

Idle settings for carb and distributor advance:  With the engine loosening up after 140 miles, as typical this has changed the idle settings.
I reset the carb throttle plates to expose a “square” of the transfer slots at idle, as recommended by several sources.  I then adjusted the distributor advance for idle speed of 800-850 rpm.  The result was advance was now only ZERO degrees, and the engine was after-running when you shut it off.   They say the lack of ignition advance shows the efficiency of the quench type fast burn combustion chambers.  Quench clearance is .044 inch. 
So I kept experimenting with throttle plate setting and ignition advance.  Ended up backing off the carb throttle plates by 1 ½  revolutions of the idle speed screw, 800 rpm idle, and the distributor advance set to  7 degrees BTC.   How did it drive?   The engine had much better off-line low rpm torque.  So loosing some of the throttle plate “square” was more than made up by having some ignition advance.  Realize that the vacuum advance was not connected…there’s not enough vacuum to make the distributor vacuum canister activate any quicker than the mechanical advance.
Carb jetting is still set to DemonSizzler stock specs.  I was smelling exhaust, so tried 10% leaner on the primary jets, but it was too lean.  Will wait for the cam change before fussing any more with the jetting.

So the Edel RPM magnum cylinder heads have a nice fast burn combustion chamber, but the need for a 1.6 rocker arm ratio is making it more hassle selecting the right cam to go with the 3.23 axle ratio.  Most all discussion and suggestions are for the OEM 1.5 rocker ratio.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2011 - 04:55:33 PM »
I've read several times that the Thermoquad is sensitive to low vacuum & drilling small holes in the primary throttle plates will help off idle hesitation. Also a local club member experimented with different metering rod/step up springs and says a lighter spring helped his.


http://ramchargercentral.com/engine/thermoquad-guide/?wap2
- Idle transfer slot:  If the primary thhrrottle plates are opened too far in
an attempt to set the idle speed, the idle transfer slot may be exposed to
the air flow.  This can result in an off-idle hesitiation.  Correction can
be made by drilling a 1/16"-1/8" hole in the forward half of each primary
throttle plate.  The holes allow sufficient air flow for speed setting
without exposing the idle transfer slot.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2011 - 10:04:41 PM »
Results of the cam swap, all numbers include 1.6 rocker ratio:
Old cam:  Comp 270H, 270/270seat dur, 227/227dur @.05 lift, .501/.501 lift, 50 degrees overlap, 8 inches vacuum@850 rpm, strong torque begins at 3000 rpm.
New cam: Lunati H215, 265/265, 218/218@.05, .483/.483 lift, 41 degrees overlap, 12.5 inches vacuum@850 rpm, strong torque begins at 2200 rpm.

Ignition timing for new cam =14 degrees@850 rpm idle, and 36 degrees total@2500 rpm.  Power brakes are ok, but may add a vacuum can to help a little more.

When I took the Comp cam out, 4 of the lifters were not rotating even with Joe Gibbs break in oil@2000+ rpm for 20 minutes.  I took the oil pan off, checked main and rod bearings...no debris damage, so maybe the Wix oil filter I'm running is truly better...they say it is.  Internet research pointed to 120 lb seat load being near the upper limit when breaking in new cam/lifters, and the Edelbrock head valve springs have 120 lb seat load.  So I reduced the valve spring seat and open loads to 100/274 using Lunati springs #73126 and VSI spring shims #A401.  Needed new shims because the Edel shims are cup shaped and the new springs were .040 larger in diameter…would not sit flush in the Edel shim spring pockets.
With the heads off, cleaned up heads, valves, piston tops what little oil/combustion residue there was, put in new valve stem seals…the Edel seals were letting the intake valves get oily.  I installed teflon seals #ST 2012 on the intake valves, and rubber umbrellas #VS 232P on the exhaust.  Had to reduce the intake guide OD from .530 to .500; larger diameter teflon seals are available, just were not handy.
Went back together with Felpro head gaskets #Q1008 coated with Permatex copper spray gasket sealer.  When I took the heads off I noticed the shorter head bolts were for the most part looser than the long head bolts.  So a head bolt retorque after some run time is a must with these gaskets.   

Broke in the new cam per std procedures, then tore the top of the engine down for lifter rotation inspection…all lifters rotating properly.  Finally had a sunny day so drove the car 120 miles with throttle accel/decel and cruising.  Noticed that above 70 mph the Carter street mechanical fuel pump was not pulling enough fuel thru the Carter electric pump (used for priming the fuel system) and a lean surge would develop.  I’m going to swap to a Mallory electric pump #4110; according to their website tech sheet has a built in bypass so the pump can be used for priming or leave on with no dead-head or return fuel routing needed. 

With the new cam the car was more fun to drive with the torque coming in much earlier.  Highway cruising and passing is a breeze, don’t need to downshift the 4 speed, just give it a little gas.   With the tall 3.23 axle gears, from a stop have to rev engine some and slip the clutch a little to take off w/o stalling the engine.  My other cars with overdrive don’t need the clutch slipping….so best fix for the Challenger would be a 3.55-4.1 axle gear with 4 or 5 speed overdrive trany….too far out of my budget but IMO would make the car a great package.

Ride is not too stiff with .92 hemi torsion bars and Mopar performance rear leafs w/ full length second leaf, though the seat springs do get a work out. I guess the early E-bodies had extra seat springs so a trip to the parts yard for more springs is in the near future.   Exhaust noise is not an issue with short Dynomax super turbos and Magnaflow round straight thru mufflers.  Almost quiet at highway speeds.

Still some details to iron out over time.  Need to put the O2 sensor on it to verify the fuel mix for my altitude.  Right now running demonsizzler jetting on the thermoquad and the engine seems to be happy with it.

This weekend will put another 200+ miles on the car.  Going to visit a VietNam vet ex-Sandy pilot…he’s getting up in age and having a progression of health problems.  I’ll be ranch-sitting his cows/horses/mules later this summer.

I’ll try and post some pics of the Challenger with scenic backgrounds; should run it over the Beartooth Pass highway.  I built this car to drive it.

I really appreciate all the help everyone has provided.  The C-C forum has been a BIG help getting this car to where it is today, only thing missing was some money trees.  The car is no show winner, but does get heads turning and RR locomotives tooting their whistles.

Next project is for my wife; a '79 Datsun 210 with 5 speed, factory rated at 50 mpg, should get 55+ with a compression increase from 8:1 to 10:1 and detailing.
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Re: 74 Challenger driver theres light at end of the tunnel
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2011 - 07:44:12 PM »
Wheel alignment update:
I had set the caster to -2.5 degrees per forum recommendations.  Evidently this is more for road course racing.  In my Challenger with power steering at speeds above 60-65 mph the car was almost dangerous to drive.  The slightest movement of the steering wheel sent the car quickly in the direction chosen.  Passing other vehicles at 70+ mph... I felt like...am I going to hit the center divider doing a lane change??   The steering was way too touchy.
So I looked up the OEM specs for the car.  With manual steering, yes the book recommends a slightly negative caster angle of 0 to -1 degrees.  BUT for power steering they recommend +1/4 to +1 1/4 degrees with +3/4 degree preferred. 
So I'm removing the offset bushings in the upper control arms, and installing OEM type bushings with centered holes for alignment adjustment.  I will set the caster to factory specs for power steering and leave the negative caster/quick steering response to the road racers and trailer queen types.
Phil