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Offline Cuda54

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Burning tires
« on: December 17, 2010 - 10:01:59 PM »
What is the best way to get a 1972 Cuda with a 440-6 525HP auto to hook up? I have a 2800 stall 727 trans with traction bars on now helps just a little. What do I need short of a 4 link or is that what I need to put in? I have 3.23 gears with posi 275 60-15"in the rear. Im can be moving and hit the gas and break the tires loose. I sure would like to get it to hook up any ideas?




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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010 - 10:09:59 PM »
Yes, it's called more rubber on the ground.
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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010 - 10:57:56 PM »
Or drag radials if you want to stick with the same size tire
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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010 - 11:38:15 PM »
72cudamaan What are you saying run dual N50 on both sides in the back to get it to hook up?

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010 - 11:54:49 PM »
Ok, first things first here...Do you really want to be redoing bodywork in a year? When your spinning the body doesn't take the shock...It's when you hook it is when you begin to see light cracks in the body from the stress and doors that don't open very well anymore...Windshields that leak..Etc..

However, Big ass tires are NOT the answer to traction problems....Sounds like you already know what you need to do in order to hook it, your just looking for a cheaper answer than buying suspension parts...

There is no magic part you can buy for say less than $300.00 that's gonna hook your car...It's a Suspension "Set up", which is ALOT of parts working in conjuction with each other...

First, I'd see if my pinion snubber is adjusted properly..What's your Pinion angle? does the car have SS Springs? Maybe adding a set of Cal Tracs? How bout some D O T tires? say Mickey Thompsons?

We have cars here DEEP in the 8's (1/4 mile) on 10" of tire, but they have ALOT of R&D in the Suspensions...
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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010 - 12:08:05 AM »
i think your just bragging  :woohoo: :bigsmile:

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010 - 12:45:31 PM »
Im can be moving and hit the gas and break the tires loose. I sure would like to get it to hook up any ideas?

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2010 - 03:15:21 PM »
If I try to launch hard I go up in smoke. Once it stops spinning it really gets going. I burn the tire after it hit second gear then starts to hook up. I have a drag strip about 5 miles from where I live. But I just do not want to sit at the lights I want to move when the light hits green. That is why I am asking for help. I have SS spring with traction bars and a 2800 stall converter and the snubber hit really hard too. So I am open for ideas I bought the car already done. Now I have to get the traction problem figured out. I just do not want to buy a $800.00 4 link kit and have to pay to get it put in. I am disabled and THANKS to Obama no increase in disability since he got in. Disability is not that great to start with so any ideas will help.

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2010 - 06:50:15 PM »
Drag radials would help a lot I think.
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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010 - 08:22:02 PM »
525 hp isnt a lot of hp to hook up unless your set up is just wrong.  weight distribution is important. Chassis pre load is too.  If your car is jacked up in the rear and you have 60% or better on the front, then you'd blow the tires off even with a 325 hp engine if need be.   What tire do you have ?   it takes specific types of tires to run hp cars for the build. You also have to learn how to drive the car. Not saying you can't.  Many people think installing a big hp engine is the trick to go fast and Et.  When actually it takes a complete chassis/drive train tune up to make things click.  Shock travel comes into play to.  Find some local hot rodders that are running good, ask questions at your local track from the street running guys, find books on chassis tune ups, and you will get into learning what it takes to run a good run.  Even tho you may be disabled, your handi cap right now is knowledge.  After that, the rest is achievable with propper tools, a little help, and a big desire.    good luck

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2010 - 10:08:10 PM »
Ditto what Al said. A leaf spring car can certainly hook hard and "chit an' git" with the right tuning, and I'm not talking about carbs and ignition here.

So, what SS springs do you have, are you sure they are SS or just XHD, what tires are you using, do you have traction bars or a snubber-you mention both, what does your convertor flash at?

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2010 - 01:18:12 AM »
I am 56 did alot of racing in my day. Never had any problem hooking before I had a AAR 4 gear with 3.91 but it was nothing like this car. This one has 3.23 posi and more horse power than any car I have ever owned. I just can not get it to launch off the line. I have a set of ET street tires but have not tried them yet. The guy I bought it from had all of the recites the spring are SS from Sumitt i think I would have to dig it out of the files.

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010 - 08:05:00 PM »
clamp the front section of the leaf springs to stiffen it , I use a square top U bolt to clamp it , this will limit the deflection of the front spring section & help traction

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010 - 09:55:55 AM »
I have SS spring with traction bars and a 2800 stall converter and the snubber hit really hard too.

A few problems I see here; if you indeed have SS springs, they lift the car on accelleration and create such a gap in body seperation that there is no way a snubber would be slamming in to the tunnel. If your using traction bars and a snubber, they are almost counter acting each other. Your spring may be new, but based on the above conditions, I'd almost bet they are an XHD set and not an SS set. Mixing these two up is a common mistake made by any number of builders.

Can you verify the spring part numbers or what the front hanger looks like? SS springs require a special, 2" longer hanger that has multiple mounting holes.

I'd also wonder about what shocsk are under it if you do indeed have SS springs. The SS springs lift the car a fair amount and the stock shocks will top out and not have the travel to allow the springs to properly hook and will cause them to unload when you hit the gas.

I still think tires may be an issue as well. While you have a 275, what brand? If it is a hard street tire like a BFG, then yeah, a 318 can spin those without too much trouble so a 440 will annilihate them. Are they pumped up to 35# or more? A move to a softer compound may be required if you want to hook on the street.

Which also brings up the point of track usage. Typically tracks are prepared much better than any intersection stop light, so hooking at the track tends to be less of an issue. Until you can get to the track and launch it in the groove, comparing it to street performance is apples and oranges.

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Re: Burning tires
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010 - 10:23:35 AM »
HP2, what is the right shock for Super Stock springs?  Sorry for the momentary hijack
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