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Offline shadango

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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011 - 06:37:56 AM »
Drewcrane....

Is yours moving?

If not I wouldnt worry about it till it does.....

Mine has been moving since the install, regardless of locktite and torquing to specs.....not sure why.

Ray at CAP auto said that adding rubber behind the washer or adding the second bolt would be a wrong way to go.....

This time I torqued a little  bit past the spec and will see if it stays this time or not......




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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2011 - 07:02:09 AM »
Drewcane, how much thread is engaged in the strut on the rod end? That's looking scary to me? :scared:
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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2011 - 07:11:39 AM »
Shadango, In defence of the cap strut there has gotta be something screwy with your K-frame or something? :dunno: I did a lot of "research" looking into the cap auto strut before I decided to buy one
( which I never did) and never saw anywhere anyone having a problem with them? Hotchkis uses the same basic design except the bolt is mounted the opposite way and uses a lock nut. Never heard of Hotchkis or a Cap strut rod coming loose? With the Internet I'm sure it wouldn't be long till we heard of it if there was a problem?
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Brad
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Offline shadango

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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2011 - 07:57:11 AM »
Shadango, In defence of the cap strut there has gotta be something screwy with your K-frame or something? :dunno: I did a lot of "research" looking into the cap auto strut before I decided to buy one
( which I never did) and never saw anywhere anyone having a problem with them? Hotchkis uses the same basic design except the bolt is mounted the opposite way and uses a lock nut. Never heard of Hotchkis or a car strut rod coming loose? With the Internet I'm sure it wouldn't be long till we heard of it if there was a problem?

Well, a locknut or lockwasher could be a huge difference.

I dont know what could be wrong with my k-member that would make it rotate.....

Ray said via email

"the 2 o'clock is a rough guide, it may be the neutral position is more like 3, so if it
want to go to back to 3, you may consider locking it down there. Best way to
be certain is to remove tension for torsion bar, slide it out and manually
move the suspension up and down with the strut bar finger tight in the
front. @ things should be evident. First no bind should be present, if there
is that is because the struts are adjusted too long. If there is bind,
loosen off nuts and shorten it until bind is removed. Secondly the motion up
and down will give you the plane that the slot should be set to. Find it,
lock it down and re-assemble."

Thing is, I followed those instructions to the letter...and even rechecked it a couple times when I first installed them.

I dont understand how the struts work I guess, because it seems to me that the 3 oclock position isnt correct for the joints and the way they have to pivot with the lower control arm......

On the other hand, you would think they will "settle" where they have the least bindage, etc....but that also means that there is enough bindage in use to be moving the end block against the torque of the bolt.....which also doesnt seem right to me, considering the heim joint is supposed to move freely in that block with no binding...which it was doing when using the procedure listed above....



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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2011 - 08:07:15 AM »
Just a "shot in the dark" here? but I'm wondering if there is something on the K-Frame holding the strut from sitting flat? That area on the K-Frame is double wall, maybe a gob of weld splatter or one of the double wall sections is bent up or something not allowing the strut to sit flat therefore not as much surface area contact to hold it there when it's bolted down?  :dunno: :clueless:
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2011 - 09:35:55 AM »
Drewcane, how much thread is engaged in the strut on the rod end? That's looking scary to me? :scared:
there is atleast an inch or so ,and yes i  have not driven mine yet but this is a good thread to see what other people are doing , and yes there could be some welding slag inside the k frame cause there is some reinforcement inside,noyt allowing the end to seat properly

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Re: CAP auto strut bar question **TORQUE**
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2011 - 10:36:55 AM »
there is atleast an inch or so ,


Maybe it's just the angle of the picture?  :dunno: I used 5/8" rod end on mine and the threaded section is just over 1 5/8" long , jam nut is 3/8" wide so at best with it screwed all the way in you would have 1 1/4" max?
Maybe double check it? I'd hate to see it pull the threads out on ya? :wave:

Here is a link to what I used and the specs for it?
 http://qa1.thomasnet.com/item/inch-rod-ends/am-rod-ends/aml10-2948?&plpver=10&origin=keyword&by=prod&filter=0
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0