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    Offline GreenFish

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    Nice alternative to headers?
    « on: March 03, 2011 - 05:50:45 PM »
    I hate headers! there, i said it. Headers suck. they leak, they are hard to install, and they are in the way.

    Is there a manifold that flow better than a stock manifold but gets the clearance and ease of a stock manifold?
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    Offline tommyg29

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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011 - 06:00:04 PM »
    ebodies with big blocks and headers do not play nice together.
    I get jealous sometimes of chevys and fords at the shows for that reason
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    Offline GreenFish

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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011 - 07:25:44 PM »
    Quote from: tommyg29 on March 03, 2011 - 06:00:04 PM
    ebodies with big blocks and headers do not play nice together.
    I get jealous sometimes of chevys and fords at the shows for that reason

    yeah.. It really got to me last weekend when I did spark plugs on my Jeep Grand Wagoneer that has a AMC 360 with iron manifolds. Couldnt have been easier and made me wonder if headers are really worth it.
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    Offline Cooter

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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011 - 07:35:03 PM »
    Think an E-body BB Car sucks, try a 505 C.I. stroker RB engine in an A-Body, with 2" primaries...

    Oh and BTW: There's No "Easy button" here..No manifold will ever hold a candle to a set of headers. (Yes, even the coveted "HP" ones suck)..

    By the good TTI headers if you aren't into any kind of maint. and be done...OR, I don't know why this hasn't been done more often here, but I cut the flange OFF the headers as soon as they come out the box and weld on a "bubble" flange, or run a band clamp..This TOTALLY stops the dreaded flange gasket blow out..

    "70 cuda, 440, KB pistons, 10.5:1 compression, edlebrock heads,RacerBrown cam, mopar M1 intake,750 Mighty Demon, Keisler 5-Speed Tremec 11.67 116mph" What kinda headers is on this thing?
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011 - 07:45:42 PM »
    Yeah,And even tti's need massaging to fit. Had to beat on the 383/B body ones. maybe a shorty header? Not sure what you got going...  But there's loads of room with an RMS and a small block. :misbehaving:   My headers fall out!  Going custom stainless someday though...            Don't they repro the hi-po manifolds?    Just go over the frame  :cooldancing: 
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011 - 07:56:34 PM »
    even the shortys dont fit. I had to crush two tubes to half size, one on each side. But, at least they are much easier to change plugs on than the full headers.
    And the TTI's are the ones to get, but the engine still has to come up and off the mounts. Try that without some help and the right equipment. Argghhh  :eek7:
    HPs are great (plug access and ease of install) but they dont look great, and not if horsepower is important to you. But I think they do help with low end torque?
    « Last Edit: March 03, 2011 - 07:59:25 PM by tommyg29 »
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011 - 08:46:34 PM »
    i am beginning to care less about performance, and thinking if i'm not racing then who cares? Just put manifolds on it. Maybe have the Jet hot coated for looks or something.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011 - 09:51:38 PM »
    My Hooker 5115's went in easy. Driver's side from the top and passenger side from the bottom...

    Match up a gasket to see how your bolt holes line up. You may have to relieve them. I used long studs to hang the headers on as a couple of the tubes wrap around the bolts. Those have to go in first...if the header is tight to the head, you can't get those bolts in.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011 - 09:15:55 AM »
    Quote from: the_engineers on March 03, 2011 - 09:51:38 PM
    My Hooker 5115's went in easy. Driver's side from the top and passenger side from the bottom...

    Match up a gasket to see how your bolt holes line up. You may have to relieve them. I used long studs to hang the headers on as a couple of the tubes wrap around the bolts. Those have to go in first...if the header is tight to the head, you can't get those bolts in.

    How is changing spark plugs and leaks? I dont want leaks and I dont want a tune up to take 9 hrs because I'm contorting myself in odd shapes getting to spark plugs.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011 - 10:42:28 AM »
    Spark plugs are no worse than any other header...maybe a little easier because of the Driver's side #3 tube configuration.

    The headers have a 3/8" flange...a little Permtex Copper and some lock-washers seem to keep the issues at bay.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011 - 01:07:54 PM »
    Quote from: the_engineers on March 04, 2011 - 10:42:28 AM
    Spark plugs are no worse than any other header...maybe a little easier because of the Driver's side #3 tube configuration.

    The headers have a 3/8" flange...a little Permtex Copper and some lock-washers seem to keep the issues at bay.

    I should mention I am talking about a big block.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011 - 01:32:06 PM »
    Pretty sure that SB and BB tube configurations are similar because of the obstacles...power steering box, fenderwells, etc. being the same.

    I would think BB spark plug access would be easier becuase you're under the tube, not beside it  :dunno:
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011 - 01:35:09 PM »
    This is one of the reasons I decided to go with a small block lol. Traded out my 440 and got a 5.7 hemi to put in there!
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011 - 01:54:10 PM »
    Quote from: aris_unlimited on March 04, 2011 - 01:35:09 PM
    This is one of the reasons I decided to go with a small block lol. Traded out my 440 and got a 5.7 hemi to put in there!

    I'd love to go to a new hemi, but the over all cost of converting is to much.
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    Re: Nice alternative to headers?
    « Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011 - 02:19:09 PM »
    sb vs bb is apples and oranges when it comes to headers.
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