the chat system we used before is no longer supported in this forum. apparently there is some compatibility issues that create security holes, or something to that effect. the people who integrate that chat software with our forum software are waiting for the chat people to do a fix, but that doesnt seem to be happening very fast. ive started to look into other chat program options, and there are a few, but i dont think they will plug into the software here so nicely. meaning that i would put a link to the chatroom somewhere on our page, but it wouldnt tell you who and how many users are currently logged in at that moment. but perhaps its better than nothing. when i get home from work tonight i will do more research