Author Topic: JonS's 71 Challenger  (Read 3291 times)

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
JonS's 71 Challenger
« on: March 18, 2011 - 02:33:25 PM »
Just another 318... but it's mine.

My buddy Jason and I drove from Pittsburgh, Pa to Selma, NC in March of 2010. A fellow Mopar guy from PA (Ron Kirkpatrick,www.ronkirkpatrickcustoms.com) was nice enough to refer me to Billy West's garage in Selma, NC. As many know, Billy past away a few years ago leaving a legacy of HUNDREDS of old Mopars.

We left Wednesday night from Pittsburgh and got into Selma around 7am. We stopped to have a bite to eat and then met up with Billy's son-in-law Jamie around 9am on Thursday. We knew that Jamie had a lot of cars, but stepping onto their lot felt more like going back in time. It was simply overwhelming to see all the cars and something I'll take with me until the day I die. Mopars EVERYWHERE! Challengers, Cudas, Road Runners, Coronets, Polaras, Satellites, Dusters, Darts, Demons... you name it; if its Mopar it was there!

There were several main areas of the Billy's place. I'll break them down as best I can!

The lower lot had a ton of old E-body, Polaras, Coronets, and more. There was an OLD Imperial that appeared to be in savable shape. It was a sight to behold with all the stainless trim and it was HUGE. I'd have loved to bring this car home, but I came for E-body, not for an old Imperial. There were school buses scattered all over the lot. The ones down here were full of tranny parts if I recall (bell housings, 3 and 4 speeds, etc.). Most of the Challengers and Cudas were at the bottom. I looked around for a 71 Challenger I could live with and agonized over the rough condition of the old Barracudas. There were a lot of 72-74 Challengers and a handful of 70, 71s. The 'gem' was a shell of a 73 true BS Cuda that was set on one end. Jamie warned me up front that this car had already been sold and wasn't for sale. Bummer... There was also a 72 Barracuda hiding under a little shelter. It appeared to be all there and definitely a good restoration candidate! Better inspection revealed that the floors were totally gone and the back half of the car was totally filled with rot. Someone had already butchered the car with some lousy repairs. It would take a TON of work to simply 'undo' the nasty work that had been done. It looked pretty good from the outside though... There was also a twisted pile of metal laying on the ground. The story was that Petty had wrecked the twisted pile at one time and the car had left the track and killed someone. They buried it on the lot only to excavate it by accident at a later date. Not sure if it is true... but we took some pictures of what was left.

The middle / upper lot had a lot of Dusters, some Demons, a lot of Road Runners and even a Pontiac and an old Datsun ; ). This is where Jason discovered a 71 340 Duster that he instantly wouldn't stop talking about. It seemed to be complete, pretty much all there, and even had a tow hitch to boot! Here is where he also ran into a 70 Road Runner that he really liked towards the back section. The buses in this section were mostly filled with old smaller parts and motors. I want to back up for a second when I say "buses" because you may not understand what I mean. Overall, there had to be at least 30 full size school buses filled with parts in addition to the offices, barns, silos, sheds, and anywhere else they could stuff NOS parts.

The rear lot is what Jamie kindly referred to as "the junk yard". It had a handful of old Fords, Chevys, and even an old motor home! There wasn't a whole lot to see back here, but it was still neat checking out all the non-mopar 'junk'.

The front lot housed the 'prime' candidates. Unfortunately, they were priced accordingly. There was an all white Satellite that appeared to be in great shape. Jamie said it runs and drives but needs a gas tank (there is a small hole). There was also a 69 Charger 440 R/T shell and a Superbee. Both were big projects and priced well out of our budget. Lastly, there was a 383 Coronet convertible parked out front. The price was reasonable, it was in great shape, and I should have bought it. I wasn't shopping for a Coronet though, and I passed on it. If it is still there, this is the single car on the lot that someone should buy yesterday. Lastly, one of Billy's old race Challengers set far out front. Obviously it wasn't for sale, but we took a picture of it.

The office was FILLED with tons of wheels and one wall was covered in carburators. When I saw 'covered' I mean they were laying on the floor in a pile that was probably about 8 feet wide, 5 feet deep, and 5 feet tall. There were also a ton of old chunks of the floor in different ratios. Some open some sure-grip, etc. This is where I got the 3.00 OLD race suregrip that I posted elsewhere on here. To this day I'm still not sure exactly what it is because there are no markings on the case. There were also a ton of air cleaners, pictures, and old memoribilia. They had pictures of a lot of the cars that had gone through the yard at different times. There were 440+6 cars, Superbirds, Daytonas, etc etc etc. If you can think of it; it probably went through Billy's yard. The cou de gras was Billy's race Road Runner! It was tucked safefly and quietly away around piles of literature, memorabilia, pictures, parts, and other things. Jamie said they planned to someday take it out and take it to shows. It would take an act of god to clear a path for it. I'd make the trip from Pittsburgh again to see that Road Runner emerge from its peaceful slumber.

We spent all day at the field on Thursday. As the sun started to set, we went back to the hotel burnt to a crisp with a long list of VIN and fender tag numbers to decipher and our heads totally spinning. After doing lots of homework we decided that the the only thing either of us were really digging was the 340 Duster?! There were hundreds of old mopars to choose from but the truth of the matter is that these cars were almost parts cars at this point (many of them were) and were too far gone to be saved. We didn't mind taking on a project, but we also hadn't planned on cars that needs a TON of metal work. The truth about Billy's place is that this place was probably magical a few years ago. Now, a lot of the cars aren't worth restoring. In just a few more years, there will be basically nothing worth left saving. I was instantly bummed realizing I might not come home with anything, but I knew the trip was worth the experience already.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:07:00 PM by JonS »




Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:33:44 PM »
We woke up Friday and met some friends from New York that were in the area for breakfast. We then ran back over to Billy's and started walking the yard again. By mid day I had decided that the rough 72 Cuda definitely wasn't happening and Jason wrote off the 69 Road Runner in favour of a 70 that was in better shape and had the original big block still safely tucked away inside. Jason also wanted the Duster which left me with nothing. I told Jamie I thought I was probably going to leave empty handed and saw the disappointment on his face. I walked the yard one more time and asked Jamie to give the guy that had the 73 Cuda a call to see if he wanted to sell it. Jamie said that he had already had that request many times and he was sure the guy wouldn't sell it. I asked him to give it a shot anyway so he went up to the office to make a phone call. I knew I was in business when he came back down with a goofy grin on his face. The owner would part with it. I decided to take that Cuda and another 71 Challenger I had found that had no rear end in it. Fortunately, it was semi-complete. I know a LOT more about E-bodies now than I knew then. Although the floors and frames LOOKED ok, only the frames were good. More on that later. We spent some time negotiating deals with Jamie and came to an agreement on the 71 Challenger, 73 Cuda, 70 Road Runner, and the 71 Duster.

Since none of the cars were totally complete (or were complete, but needed replacement metal), we agreed to start searching around for donors. We agreed that we would find a date coded 340 motor and 4 speed for the Cuda, a 440 with 727 for the Challenger, and some miscellaneous parts (grilles, doors, hoods, etc) for Jason's Road Runner and Duster.

We went back to the hotel again wondering what all we were getting ourselves into. That night we made arrangements with a hauler to get the vehicles off the lot and all the way back to Pittsburgh.
Saturday morning we headed back to Billy's for one more day. Jason and I were both exhausted and burnt from the scorching North Carolina sun, but we were having a great time and were eager to start tearing into donor cars and having our cars drug from the field to be prepared for hauling.

First thing in the morning we got the tractor running and started dragging each car to the front of the lot. While Jamie was getting that organized, Jason and I were down in the field pulling fenders, bumpers, grilles, and anything else we would need to complete the cars. I found a 440 motor with 727 attached to it tucked away with a bunch of other 440s in the back of one of the school buses. We hooked the tractor up to it and carefully 'extracted' it out of the back of the bus. The 440 immediately went to the soft grass below and lifted the front of the tractor a few feet in the air! Jason and I had to stand on the nose of the tractor and ride it back to the cars to get it moved! We then dropped the 440 in the engine compartment of the Cuda (because the Challenger didn't have a rear end in it). Jason found a NOS sharktooth grille for the Duster as well as a bunch of other small bits in one of the attics of one of the sheds.

The next search was a date coded 340 for the Cuda. We dug around in some of the barns and discovered a late 72 340 motor that was totally complete minus the intake. It appeared to be pretty clean and in good shape so I took it. We also found a 4 speed with the aluminum bellhousing to go with it. Since the Cuda had a motor in it already and the Challenger didn't have a rear end we slid the 340 into the passenger side of the Cuda (it had no front seats).

It was past mid-day and we received a call from the hauler that he wouldn't be able to make it until Sunday. We had told the wives that we would be home by Sunday morning and we were already pushing our luck spending 3 days away from home (we both have kids and without us men at home there was no one left to cook, clean, do laundry, take out the trash, well... you get the idea). We had to trust that Jamie would be able to work with the hauler and get everything safely on the truck. We paid for the vehicles, said our goodbyes, grabbed a few sourvenirs and we were on our way home back to Pittsburgh.

After getting into Pittsburgh, we found that the vehicles wouldn't be picked up until Monday. Argh! Jamie coordinated the pickup and told us the one driver (they ended up sending 2 trucks) was REALLY pissed about the fact that my Challenger didn't have a rear end. Oh well... I'm sure he'll get over it. We ended up taking deliver later in the week in front of my house on 2 separate days. The Road Runner was a nightmare getting off the trailer because the drivetrain was totally locked up. We ended up disconnecting the driveshaft while it was on the trailer so we could get it off. We had wheel dollys for the Challenger since it didn't have a rear end. That ended up being a nightmare because the dollies folded over and were trash before they even made it off the trailer. This meant we had to drag the car off the trailer and into my driveway (with the driver cussing the whole way). Thank goodness the local PD didn't roll by because we were literally tearing up the street trying to get them off the trailer! We trailed Jason's Road Runner and Duster to his place. The Duster went on the rotisserie almost immediately.

Here we are a year later and I feel that I can finally post my story and start putting up pictures of the trip, the restoration progress in the last year, and what I'm working on now. Stay tuned for lots of pictures and stories.

Jon
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:10:17 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:34:08 PM »
Reserved
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:17:22 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:34:19 PM »
Reserved
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:19:10 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:34:32 PM »
Reserved
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:28:50 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:35:30 PM »
Reserved
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:32:06 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011 - 02:35:42 PM »
So here is what we brought home in no particular order...

My Cars
71 318 Challenger (Dragon Ass as pictured)
73 340 Cuda

Jason's Cars
70 383 Road Runner
71 340 Duster
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:41:51 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:32:29 PM »
Reserved
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011 - 03:43:14 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:43:29 PM »
OK, so I started with the Challenger first.  Here are a few pictures after I got it home and started tearing it apart.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011 - 03:52:25 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:43:39 PM »
So obviously, the car is a rolling pile.  Actually, it wasn't rolling at all!  I got the rear end in it, put some wheels on it and got it ready to go to media blasting.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011 - 04:02:01 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:43:48 PM »
And here she is back from media blasting.  Pretty tough shape... putty and gaping holes everywhere.

What's wrong with one of the pictures?  :bigsmile:
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011 - 04:03:55 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:44:02 PM »
Out comes the old floors and in goes the new...
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011 - 04:05:52 PM by JonS »

Offline JonS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 318
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011 - 03:44:11 PM »
More floors and starting to test fit the quarters...
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011 - 04:08:21 PM by JonS »

Offline Jamie

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 266
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2011 - 08:21:07 PM »
 Whats with the "reserved posts"?   
I will finish a project.I will finish a project. I will finish a project.

70 barracuda plum crazy
( current goal is to keep just one car) AND FINISH IT!
08 charger r/t  w/road & track package
2011 silverado

Offline TorOrange

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2289
Re: JonS's 71 Challenger
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011 - 08:36:01 PM »
So he can keep the pics on the first page I figure.

and it sounds like you had a ball  :thumbsup:

WANTED 71 cuda / barracuda project. Prefer Black but open.