Newt says health care will be repealed

[dodj]

From the outside looking in it is amazing to me that Republican politicians (mostly I guess, am I wrong?) would rather spend the USA's money on bombs to kill people than medicine/doctors to help cure Americans. I was watching CNN and the ticker on the bottom said "Gingrich says health care will be repealed". Just mind boggling that some are SO willing to spend millions to have offensive weapons to attack others, yet are so abhorrent to spending money on taking care of their own. 

[passion4mopars]

I'm not sure but I have alot of questions about the health care reform...like why so many waivers???

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/health/policy/20health.html?src=twrhp

[go-fish]

From the outside looking in it is amazing to me that Republicans (mostly I guess, am I wrong?) would rather spend the USA's money on bombs to kill people than medicine/doctors to help cure Americans. I was watching CNN and the ticker on the bottom said "Gingrich says health care will be repealed". Just mind boggling that some are SO willing to spend millions to have offensive weapons to attack others, yet are so abhorrent to spending money on taking care of their own. 

I am glad our leaders don't make their decisions by reading the ticker at the bottom of CNN. How about your boy Obama's hopey/ changey BS? He blasted Bush going into Iraq under a UN resolution and not taking it in front of Congress. This morning he authorized and sent $156,800,000.00 over to Libya in the form of cruise missiles. Didn't he say he was going to do something about those wars we have going on right now? See, we can pick a scab on either side!

Look, I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich, more of a fan of Ron Paul, but I am sure he said more than what was on the ticker. When we stop electing lawyers to office we will be much better off. We need engineer and business minded people running our country and not bleeding heart or ambulance chasing lawyers.

I just LOVE the way you come up in here generalizing all Republicans like you think this is some kind of damn lefty blog. This is about Mopars and while *this* is the Off-Topic section, let's pick off topic discussion points that are not inflammatory and pointless for the kind of community we have right here at CC.com.

We don't need this b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t here!

[go-fish]

Mr. Dodj,

just saw on your member page that you're from Canada. Why don't you keep to your own politics. If you don't vote in the U.S. I don't see where you have a voice in all this.


Thanks.

[grimmey71]

I do think you are generalizing a little. I am more of a libertarian, but vote republican. In the U.S  our federal governments main job is the military. Health care is a private matter for individual citizens. There are many who believe the government is too big and too intrusive already.

[dodj]

Kinda why I said "from the outside looking in", just my opinion. Not trying to suggest this site is leftist, rightist or anything. After reading Als thread where he stated his operation cost a quarter million dollars, it made me think, wow...unless you are a millionaire or close to it, that destroys any chance of retirement. Not because of bad planning, just bad luck.

[GranCuda1970]

I do think you are generalizing a little. I am more of a libertarian, but vote republican. In the U.S  our federal governments main job is the military. Health care is a private matter for individual citizens. There are many who believe the government is too big and too intrusive already.

[go-fish]

Kinda why I said "from the outside looking in", just my opinion. Not trying to suggest this site is leftist, rightist or anything. After reading Als thread where he stated his operation cost a quarter million dollars, it made me think, wow...unless you are a millionaire or close to it, that destroys any chance of retirement. Not because of bad planning, just bad luck.

Do you even know why health care costs are so inflated in the US. The healthcare industry is the most regulated and one of the most subsidized industries in the U.S.
Let's take Medicaid and Medicare. Especially when you have Uncle Sam paying for much of it, providers will find a way to jack up costs. A lot of these jacked up prices and fees go to the medical lawyers and malpractice lawsuits. Americans are sue happy and I blame the lawyers. The healthcare has to hire their own lawyers to battle insurance companies, government, and individuals trying to sue. I blame the politicians ( who are also lawyers!) for regulating the industry to such a ridiculous point.

In the US, you can't start a business, run a business, get divorced, run for office, do ANYTHING without having a damn lawyer on retainer! Look at the old days. Ron Paul, a doctor and Congressman, recalls the days when he was a young doctor. He would charge based on what the family he was assisting could pay. A payment plan that may have included mechanic work, firewood, whatever.

Take a listen to his views on ObamaCare. He is a politician so he has the authority to speak to the politics of it and a doctor so he can identify the BS in it too.  It starts hitting the spot at 2:18 and then at 5:55.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXQbmZxWYY

 

When we have the former Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, saying they had to PASS the healthcare law to find out what's IN IT, we have a major problem with understanding exactly what is IN IT. I think it should be repealed and I believe it can't go back to the way it was currently working. We do need some reform but we need to understand what's in it UPFRONT!

BTW, Americans don't like people that are looking in from an outsiders viewpoint to come in and voice there opinion. For one it's not you country so it's not you place to speak on it (unless we have troops in your country.  )

[Road_Runner]

You lost any credibility with me at "I was watching CNN".  The left leaning media in our country elected our current president, and will have a big say in who wins in 2012.  It's the main reason I'm not expecting much from the U.S. voters.  I guess we'll all have to wait and see who Oprah endorses in 2016.  We already know her pick for 2012. 

Besides, what are Canadians who need world class healthcare quickly going to do when Obamacare is fully implemented?... Don't know, but it will no longer be available here.

Just my 

[360 'CUDA]

This morning he authorized and sent $156,800,000.00 over to Libya in the form of cruise missiles. Didn't he say he was going to do something about those wars we have going on right now?

 

Oh no,,,,  Well, there goes a second Nobel Peace prize   

[torredcuda]

In the U.S  our federal governments main job is the military. Health care is a private matter for individual citizens.

So the government should only be concerned with bombing other countries and not taking care of it`s own citizens health? 

[passion4mopars]

I don't usually get into political threads but...

I don't really think it's the government's "job" to take care of the health of it's citizens.  I think it's their "job" to make laws to reform a system that's broken, being bilked, and driving higher health care costs.  Why not bring in a private organization to weed out the inflated medicare/medicaid costs and the fraud there?  I'm sure Visa, Mastercard, banks, etc. don't have fraud running a muck like is in our medicare/medicaid system...why?  Because they have "people", whose job it is, to find that fraud and prosecute it.  TORT REFORM.  My God I watch TV and can't count the commercials asking "Did you take "x" drug, you might be entitled to damages".  ENOUGH ALREADY.

Lawyers.  I worked for them for years and finally walked away from being a paralegal to go to work in the steel mills in Gary IN because at least I was with people who put their pants on the same why I did everyday.  Biggest crooks in the world carry briefcases and wear suits and when you watch and participate every single day in the legal system, you realize, it's JUST US, not justice.

I'm going to have my coffee now....did everyone see that Super Moon last night   

[dodj]

I do think you are generalizing a little. I am more of a libertarian, but vote republican.

I agree, I was only speaking of those I saw in the news. (modified the original post). Believe it or not, I vote for the right (Conservative) in Canada.

It starts hitting the spot at 2:18 and then at 5:55.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXQbmZxWYY 

We do need some reform but we need to understand what's in it UPFRONT!

What he said @ 6:32 really shows how litigation has made simple ER visits expensive.

BTW, Americans don't like people that are looking in from an outsiders viewpoint to come in and voice there opinion. For one it's not you country so it's not you place to speak on it (unless we have troops in your country.  )

Point taken.
Didn't know that but I understand and will keep it in mind in the future. Didn't mean to offend, just wanted to hear a regular voter's,instead of a politicians, opinions.

Can I ask one more question?  If a guy/girl is unemployed in their fifties so they can't afford a medical coverage plan, gets sick or injured and ends up with a big medical bill. Is there any help for that individual or are they pretty much sentenced to work the rest of their days? IE, any retirement plans out the window?

[whitesatinmopar]

It should be repealed !  And I do beleive taking care of "my" own, but I don't feel or think it is my resposibility (through taxes and etc.) to pay for others' health care. And when did you ever sign a contract without knowing what the contract said? Or at least had the right to read that contract? I feel Doji you do have a right as a human being to voice your opinion about all things including U.S. society, but you obviously are not aware of the totlity of this "Obamacare" package.  Medicare/Medicade is corrupt with fraud because the government is in control of it. Social security is in financial ruin because the government has used it funds for welfare to the same crowd of people who will have free medical care under Obamacare at the expense of taxpayers. BTW, social security here is not an entitlement, my employers and myself have paid every cent that I have comming in social security benifits throughout the years that I worked for it, but many others who have not worked also get monthly payments too because the government likes to spend taxpayers money to take care of _______________, don't dare fill in that space.!   

[moparmaniac59]

Requiring a US citizen to enter into a private contract to buy health insurance is unconstitutional. I'm glad a Florida judge had enough sense to rule on this and he said.... "It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compel an otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third party merely by asserting - as was done in the Act - that compelling the actual transaction is itself 'commercial and economic in nature and substantially affects interstate commerce', it is not hyper bolizing to suggest that Congress could do almost anything it wanted." This judge down in Florida has reminded us that we are not a country governed by one man or Congress of men, but by the law. That, unfortunately, is a lesson that simply is not taught in our government schools. Go ahead ... ask your government school student to tell you what "rule of law" means. Ask them to explain the difference between the rule of law and a rule of men. Oh and about social security, workers do pay into it as I have myself for many years, but it was never intended to be a retirement plan, only a supplement and the reason it's going broke is we have more being paid out than is being paid in. Most folks will have gotten back every dime paid in by them and their employers in less than 10 years time. After that, it is in fact an entitlement.

                                                                                   Matt B.