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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2011 - 07:52:36 AM »
One thing that you may have overlooked is the wires at the back of the AMP guage, if good voltage at alternator and low voltage at battery there is a voltage drop either at the bulk head connector as has been mentioned or at the back of the AMP guage, worth checking, some just bridge out the 2 wires which then means that the AMP guage doesn't work properly.
Have you considered fitting relays so that the main current doesn't go through the headlight switch, they can be fitted in out of the way places so car wiring can look original.
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2011 - 12:24:57 AM »
Napa ordered the wrong alt. So we are going to upgrade to the flat VR.
I tightened the posts and cleaned the connections at the gauge.No change. Ya I like the breaker. Over a fuse. I'm going to need some help on the wiring. But I'm learning. Thanx all. 
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2011 - 10:03:15 AM »
Upgraded to the new VR. No Change at all. Time to test the alt. Can't figure this out. About to go with a one wire alt. But that probably won't work either. Why is it always such a hassle?
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2011 - 12:58:04 PM »
Just tried the alt. out of the Duster. No change.  Tried a wire right to the battery. No change.  Nothing I do does anything.  :dunno:
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2011 - 04:31:38 PM »
did u wire the other field on the alt out of the duster? and use the new style regulator? bring it to georgia and we will figure it out!! lol! u could try full fielding the duster alt. hook one field terminal to ground the other straight to the battery. i would have the car running then touch one field terminal to the battery it should charge over 14v. dont do it for long see if it charges. doing it this way bypasses the voltage regulator which is ok for a short test but dont full field it for very long.
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2011 - 05:14:59 PM »
eh. i'll try that thanx...         Just re-did the fuseable link. No change. It was pretty bad. 
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2011 - 11:24:32 PM »
maybe this will help,I have used these methods in helping me over the years but have to give credit to someone else that put it in this text,,as I am not good at typing,,Found this yrs back on another forum

Check voltage, both with engine OFF and running at fast idle, AT the alternator large nut connector. Voltage should be same as battery, and at fast idle, should be "up" from the battery voltage. With the car running on fast idle, measure with NEGATIVE meter probe on the POSITIVE battery post, and POSITIVE meter probe on the alternator nut connection. There should be very little reading, may 1/2 volt, if charging hard, maybe as much as 1 volt. ANY reading upwards shows problems with the large wire going from the alternator, through the firewall, to the ammeter, back through the firewall, and to the battery. SUSPECT either the firewall connector or the ammeter itself. These commonly melted the plastic around the meter in the dash unit, causing the connections to loosen.

Also, (at least on B bodies) somewhere up near the ignition switch wiring, there is a taped up "in harness" Y splice. I've found two cars in my lifetime with these broken.

Now, say, the first test is "OK" that is, you have battery at the large connector.

Now you want to try and "full field" the alternator. Disconnect the regulator connector (at the regulator) Pull both small wires off the alternator. Take your meter (to ground) WITH THE IGNITION in "run" find which wire has +12. I've forgotten the color. Take the wire which is "hot" and hook back up to the alternator. It does not matter which one goes where at the alternator.

Now, take a clip lead (test lead) and clip to the remaining "spade" (field connector) on the alternator. Ground the other end. You should see a small spark, if not in bright sun. Start the car, and the alternator should charge "full current." Don't do this for long, the voltage will really climb if you wind up the engine. You should hear the alternator grunt and whine, if the ammeter is working it should charge. TO BE SURE, measure both the voltage (to ground) at the battery and at the alternator "nut" connection. They should be close to the same voltage, not more than 1/2-1 volt AT THE VERY MOST apart.

on the regulator check the connector for continuity. One field wire should go directly to the "right hand" connector on the regulator, and the "left" or "center" pin should go to the other, and be "hot" with the key on.

Also, as with above, hook the alternator up "normal" and try grounding the field at the regulator, which will verify that

The alternator field is getting +12 through one lead, and the wires are both good up to the regulator. Make sure you ground the correct wire,  Ground the one which does NOT go to +12

If this doesn't work, but DID work when you "full fielded" the alternator, you have a wiring problem from the alternator to the regulator, or from the regulator to the +12 connection


CHECK that the regulator is GROUNDED. Scrape away the paint, and use "non rusty" bolts preferably with toothed (star) lock washers.

A few things:

If you have large wires going to the ammeter, you have the old "full current" ammeter. I can't stress enough to check, check, and recheck the firewall connector. ALL CHARGING CURRENT, ALL OF IT goes through that firewall connector TWICE.

If you have the old style ammeter, check the dash unit CAREFULLY. The slightest looseness of the wire connections shows that the plastic has melted near them and allowed things to get loose. At least some of these ammeters were held together by the very nuts that connected the wires. That meas that if the plastic softened, the wireing connection would loosen.

If you have the newer "shunt" type ammeter, they work more like a voltmeter. They "tap" a sensitive meter movement with fine wires across a section of the car wireing itself, and "measure" the "voltage drop" across that length of wire.



this is a quick diagram that is helpful http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/chrysler/45/charge.htm
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2011 - 10:57:33 AM »
have u had any luck yet with the charging problem
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2011 - 03:16:03 PM »
Nope. Nothing.  I've tried everything. 3 different alternators,Upgraded the VR,and checked everything 10+ times.   We are giving up on it. Either a new engine bay harness or a 1 wire alternator.  Sux.   
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2011 - 05:42:37 PM »
have u verified the voltage regulator is grounded? i like to run a ground strap from the regulator to the engine block.  u used the new regulator with a dual field alternator wired the way the schematic said to? have u tried full fielding the alternator? verified there is power when u turn the key to run on the blue wire? we have to get this figured out so you can drive that beautiful charger!
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2011 - 06:01:29 PM »
ya' the VR is grounded. And wired as per diagram. I havn't tried full fielding it. havn't checked for power at blue with key on. Might bypass the gauge. But I'm sick of it. get this pos out of my way...     Unfortunately the 1 wire alt. on the cuda(chrome easter egg) has a serpentine type pulley er I'd of yanked it long ago. Seems the easiest way is a 1 wire though.     I just don't know what else to do anymore.  :pullinghair:
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2011 - 09:11:11 PM »
lets check for power at the blue wire prefer a volt meter to see how much your gettin there. what alternator u have on it now? haven't u bypassed the bulkhead connector with a wire straight to the battery or starter relay. just checkin the field terminal on the alternator is connected to the blue wire on the voltage reg which is also connected to the old blue wire on the existing wiring on the old regulator. the other field terminal on the alternator is connected to the green wire of the voltage regulator. if there is 12 volts at the blue wire at the voltage regulator and at the field terminal at the alternator and the regulator is good it should charge. the regulator controls the grounding of the other alternator field terminal. try full fielding the alt and get back with me.
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2011 - 01:08:32 PM »
There's a square back on there now for an alt.  Just bypassed the gauge. Still 12.   Your words are hard to understand. 11.6 at blue with key on.   We'll go through it again though...   No,We havn't bypassed the bulkhead connector. Re-did the fuseable link. 
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2011 - 03:12:39 PM »
i figured i was confusing u. wiring is a hard thing to put into words. lets try disconnecting the stock charge wire and running a new heavy wire straight to the battery. i hope we get this figured out.
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Re: headlight electrical problem
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2011 - 05:15:23 PM »
Ya... I really thank you for the help. It is hard to explain, I'm super dumb.    Going to try a new 1 wire alt.  But I'll try it again.   So weird.    :1zhelp:
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