Author Topic: 5-Speed Problems (Read 6803 times)

Mopar73340 · « **on:** December 12, 2004 - 06:53:00 PM »

Well as you all may have read in an earlier post I have a Keisler 5sp that I'm installing in the Chall. �Had problems with the fit at the crossmember. I bought mine back in July of 02 in anticipation of needing it for the resto. Upon contacting Keisler I found out that the tailhousing had been redesigned from the unit I have and they wanted $250 to convert mine..

Come to find out they discovered the crossmembers are not all exactly in the same position. To make a long story short I ended up voicing my dissatisfaction to Sheffy Keisler the owner. After listening to me he said send it back and we'll make it right. That was a big relief!!!!!! �So I send it out the day after Thanksgiving and to my surprise it arrived back home this past wed. �Although I still had to modify the rear bracket to make it fit. Also all of the advertisements you read say it is a bolt in kit, I found out this is not exactly true as I had to slightly modify the floorpan in a few areas for clearence. Now with any luck sometime this summer I may get the car back on the road and reap the benefits..

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Mt.St.BigBlock · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2004 - 08:01:19 PM »

Hi MOPAR73340,
Sorry to read about the troubles getting that 5-speed set-up installed. I've been kind of dreaming
about that myself as my cuda only has the 3speed manual. Thank you for sharing your exprience
with us. To read the mag articles and avertisements and get one picture and find out that while
it maybe a worthwhile project in the end, it still is a "project" never the less. Good luck and thanks
again for taking the time to update! :thumbs: Jeff

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2004 - 12:05:27 AM »

Sounds about right , my dealings with them were similar , told me� everything is cool & then want to charge you more to fix it when it doesn`t work right , personally I`m not impressed , glad you got yours sorted out at least

ragtopdodge · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2004 - 10:07:17 AM »

Anything custom-made is really hard to be completely bolt-on with each car having variations when built. Glad he fixed you right up though.

Silent_Leviathan · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2005 - 03:37:35 PM »

Glad to hear everything worked out. I think it's only fair that the company not charge you to make adjustments that they didn't realize were required.

Robb · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2005 - 08:59:33 PM »

http://www.keislerauto.com/mopar/articles/mopar_action_200408.pdf

here is a good overview article of the procedure for an Auto tranny to Kiesler 5 speed conversion. Fun and driveability rewards are tough to ignore, but its around $5500 to do the job yourself, from I get from prices on the Kieslerauto website.

Hardly ever is anything a true direct bolt on. almost an unreasonable expectation, regardless of what the ad or salesman tells you.

Thinking about doing this to my ride, this Summer, since my tranny is slipping a little and making funny noises in reverse.

With a few other odds and ends (swaps and clean ups) while the motor is out of the engine bay (article above demonstrates r and r of trannys from below but... I imagine pulling the motor and tranny as a unit would allow a few things to be done to the motor and bay alot easier, especially if you cant raise the E-bod more than a couple feet off the ground in your home garage)

T Quad · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2005 - 07:03:34 AM »

$3-4-5000.00 is a lot of money to spend on hardware that may or may not fit the car properly and requires the floor to be cut an unspecified amount.� This is supposed to be a bolt in package.� As to the car in the M/A 5 sp conversion article I would never want that car to be one I own as the floor modification depicted is a hack job and� the car looses important structural integrity.�

Mopar73340 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2005 - 04:15:27 PM »

If I had a #'s car I would not want to cut on the car either, and although my car is a #s car, luckily it came fom the factory with the a-833 so the kit was supposed to be a direct bolt in. The article mentions the problem with the crossmember location as being a mid 70 problem and offered a possible theory as to why some cars differed from others. Believe me that is not the case as my car is a 73 and the early design tranny would not fit and they have been made aware that this theory is dead wrong. With this said the new design of the tail shaft will correct the problem regardless. As of now I probably will not have the car together enough to drive until somethime this summer so I'll keep you posed. Hopefully this will offer some insight to any of you thinking of making the switch.

Robb · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2005 - 08:30:04 PM »

RE #s matching

people stitch-in new floorboards and panels all the time during a restore, cant see how much a huge difference just swapping a tranny hump

What if the having a 5 speed gives the car more ""street $value"" than an 727 matching ? (and obviously a lot more fun in the 5 speed)

Which if you dont own a real '70 R/T or 70 R/T SE ... from what Ive seen.... the swapped in manual trumps the numbers matching 727 when it comes time to sell.

(and if you keep the numbers matching 727 and attaching gear, you are even FARTHER ahead !)

doing 3100 rpm at 70mph just absolutely sucks beans :nopity:

moprfrek · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2005 - 08:22:48 AM »

I had problems with Keisler sending me the wrong parts. Shaffi is not a person that likes to tell the truth most of the time. Although the Trimec 600 is a great transmission its not worth all the aggravasion of using Keisler. You spend 5500.00 and whwn theres a problem they want to try and charge you more to fix it. You can tell them you won't pay the extra $ then they will back off but it shouldn't get to that point.

Robb · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2005 - 12:58:55 PM »

recently finished my Keisler install, thought Id add to the conversation here....

I had some missing parts from my order, the tranny had a bad Neutral start switch installed in it, and I had a struggle getting the right flywheel from them. They also shipped a lot later than they originally promised when I put down my $$. I had to do all the calling and efforts for contact, re-contact.

That being said, they came through in the end. They handled the missing parts and bad parts with class. When the flywheel did show up, it was the right one... But, theres always room for improvement.

Overall, Id buy from them again, but I would also expect some hurdles rather than a straight bolt in job. Considering the magnitude of the conversion from Auto to manual, you have to expect some.

moprfrek · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2005 - 05:03:59 PM »

Hey Rob.
When you had the problems did they try and charge you to fix them?

Robb · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2005 - 06:43:26 PM »

nope.

Mopar73340 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2005 - 09:57:06 PM »

Hey Robb, What did you end up doing for your emergency brake cable where the "S" hook holds it at the crossmember? while on the subject, I met one of the Keisler sales people at Carlisle who promised me ther world, to date a little over a month later and about a dozen phone calls to this a**hole, I have yet to receive a call from him. I did however get in touch with someone in technical support after trying said a**hole and had no problems getting what I needed from them. It's to bad I can't fire him.

1972cuda · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2005 - 08:11:34 PM »

i just ordered the tko 6oo auto to manual kit from kiesler for my 72 340 cuda. anybody have any tips on how to get all the right hardware from them in the first place?

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