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Offline 73EStroker

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Proform Carb
« on: July 05, 2011 - 12:11:26 AM »
So have a 950 Proform on my 451. When CP and I first ran this motor it had off idle response the same as a fuel injected car. 2000 miles later it had gone way down in satisfaction mode. It had also been bucking and jumping at about 1500 RPM in 3rd around town where one would be just off idle so had to take the foot off completely or add power which simply made the car accelerate to way over the in town limit. Other issues had seen me put one size smaller primary jets in from the 76 stockers that Proform put in to chase a rich running issue.

A few weeks ago CP and I worked on the low speed air bleeds which made the rich idle way less leaner as we opened them up a little. With the carb tuned for idle I see the screws are only about 1/4 to 1/2 turn out and still some slight rich smell at the exhaust

Have about 9-10"vac at idle which is about right for this cam. Last weekend I replaced the 4.5" power valve with a 3.5" and put the standard pri jets back in and readjusted the primary squirter pump as it had slop in the spring to pump lever. So it runs slightly better with respect to the stumble, accelerates well and has that instant throttle response again. So I have deduced that the idle circuit is set right for neutral idle but does not let enough fuel in (or the FA ratio is not right) in the off idle to throttle transition while in gear in motion. People have told me that these carbs basically always need setting up on the idle bleed circuits only.

So the questions are - in the metering blocks there are small (what looks like jets) for the idle circuits. Are these to meter fuel or air. If they are fuel they need to be smaller, if they are air bleeds they need to be larger to, what I believe, is to cure my problem? Engine has lots of advance, plls one back in the seat at all speeds, but still has black exhausts even after 100mph+ hiway runs.
- Do the idle mixture screws sound like they need to be turned out further?

Appreciate the advice!

Barry (Salmon Arm)




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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011 - 04:11:06 AM »
Rule of thumb on the idle mixture screws is turn them out 1 1/2 turns, and go from there.

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011 - 08:50:13 AM »
we actually went the other way & by  opening the air bleeds up we leaned the idle not richened it up

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011 - 01:37:28 PM »
Had similar problems with my 850 on my 500 stroker as long as I could drive it. :eek4:

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011 - 05:13:57 PM »
we opened up the Idle air bleed in the throat of the carb this allows less fuel pulled into the airstream at idle , this allowed us to open the idle mixture screws up to compensate & cured the overly rich at idle problem .The whole point of going there was to drive the car & get it tuned in properly & of course it snowed about 6" overnight when I got there & we could not move the car , actually I have never ridden ion the car at all everytime I have been near it the weather has been bad !!
We know that the dist is not ideal & could be causing the off idle stumble , it is very difficult to alter the mech curve or know where you are at .
As for the ports in the metering block I need a pic so I know what you are looking at 

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011 - 09:04:06 PM »
tuning carbs can suck no doubt! I like to read plugs like others but my wideband spoils me! I think they are worth their weight in gold! nice to know whats going at what rpm and go from there!  if the OP's jetting is squared and running the power valve it will pull in too much fuel during his normal cruising etc...
What does "jetting is squared" mean?  Thanks!
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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011 - 09:37:26 PM »
square jetting means the same jets at all 4 corners , this is fine If there is a power valve both front & back but with only a front PV you need approx 8 size larger jets in the rear

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011 - 10:07:15 PM »
What does "jetting is squared" mean?  Thanks!

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011 - 10:33:48 PM »
How much cranking on the idle speed screw was required to get it to idle? If you go too far, you'll uncover too much of the small rectangular transition slot and the carb will begin to flow through the primaries with all the attending fuel. The primary throttle blades should be nearly closed at idle and if you can't get it to idle like that, some times you can cheat by either opening the secondaries a wee bit or the old school drilling a couple of 1/8" holes in the primary throttle blades. With 4 corner air and fuel metering, you shouldn't have to do this and the aforementioned wide band O2 sensor, is indeed, a gift from the tuning gods.  :2cents:

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011 - 11:02:33 PM »
OK some answers to posters concerns
1. The idle screws are set in the best position for idle but are only the 1/4 to 1/2 turn out. Any further out and black smoke appears out the exhaust.
2. What CP did, with the low speed airbleeds, made the idle way better but read #1 above. That stumble in gear is still there. But off idle stumble in neutral has gone away.
3. The pri jets are 76 and the secondaries are 85 or 86.
4. the throttle plates cover about 1/2 the small slot in the venturi base.
5. People have confirmed what I believe - reduce the IFR so that the mixture screws can be turned out a little more - that also answers my query - I need to put smaller jets in the IFR in the metering plates.

Thanks everyone for the input. I have enough info to push forward. Will post something next week on my progress as will pick up some smaller jets for the IFR and do it when I get home this weekend.
Barry (Salmon Arm)

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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2011 - 11:22:19 PM »
Did you sort it out yet?  :popcorn:
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Re: Proform Carb
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011 - 07:33:16 AM »

 i was running a proform 750 on my dart before i spun a bearing in the good motor.   anyway when i first put it on i couldn't get it to idle the way i thought it should.  as i was going over the new carb i found that the idle air bleeds were smaller then what the proform spec sheet said they were supposed to be.  i drilled them to what the sheet called for and it cleaned the idle up right away.   that car ran in an injected car with that carb on it..


my spec sheet that came witht he carb said it had  #73 primary air bleeds.    if i remember correctly it only had 70's in it.. 





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