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    Offline Aussie Challenger

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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #15 on: August 14, 2011 - 05:11:28 AM »
    Thanks for that info, an E body is supposed to be an E body and apart from the 2" difference in length between the Challenger & Cuda you would assume they were the same. So much info gets lost over 40 years and people adapting parts from one model to another doesn't help either.   :cheers:
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #16 on: August 15, 2011 - 09:57:36 AM »
    The hoods were redesigned with crumple zones before the 71 model year.  Only the early cars got the hood without crumple zones.  That's why the shaker hood was not available for a few month time span.  They were redesigning it with the crumple zones.   Cars that were ordered with the shaker came through with r/t hoods. 
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #17 on: August 15, 2011 - 10:04:10 AM »
    I was working on my car this weekend, and I saw my flat hood for the first time in about 10 years  :bigsmile: . The center rib isn't nearly as big as I thought, so I guess they are all the same after all.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #18 on: August 15, 2011 - 11:11:29 AM »
    Quote from: burdar on August 15, 2011 - 09:57:36 AM
    The hoods were redesigned with crumple zones before the 71 model year.  Only the early cars got the hood without crumple zones.  That's why the shaker hood was not available for a few month time span.  They were redesigning it with the crumple zones.   Cars that were ordered with the shaker came through with r/t hoods.
    That doesn't make sense.  They did not run out of flat hoods.  The shaker was made from the flat hood.  I believe they did have problems with the shaker ring. 
    « Last Edit: August 15, 2011 - 11:15:06 AM by Challenger6pak »
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #19 on: August 15, 2011 - 11:51:14 AM »
    I don't know the time frame off the top of my head but the shakers were available in 69 and then production stopped for a few months.  They got the crumple zones added and then were available for ordering again sometime in 1970.  The R/T hoods recived the crumple zones around the same time.  I'll try and find the info.

    It was previously thought that the T/A hood was used as the replacement for the shaker hood on cars that ordered them during the time they weren't in production.  That has since been proven wrong.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #20 on: August 15, 2011 - 12:14:27 PM »
    Here is a large thread about the N96 cars. 
     http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4006982&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

    This is the first post from that thread.

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    Here’s what I know about N96 Challengers. I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT 100% ACCURATE DUE TO THE RECORD KEEPING THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE DAY.

    In 1970 there were the following:

    184 Total
    164 R/T’s, 15 R/T SE’s, and 5 R/T Convertibles
    The ONLY engines could be the 383, 440-4, 440-6, or 426 Hemi
    There are NO R/T’s with a 340 in 1970


    In 1971 there were the following:

    224 Total
    72 JH non R/T (340 or 383)
    11 JH Convertibles (no R/T converts in 1971)
    39 R/T Small Block (340)
    102 R/T Big Block (383, 440-6, or 426 Hemi)

    There are three different Challenger Shaker Hoods

    Early 1970 (Before early to mid October, 1969) with NO crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem

    Late 1970 (after April 15th) and 1971 with crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem

    Late 1971 (or more likely over the counter part) with crush zones but NO raised boss for triangle emblem

    There seems to be NO 1970 N96 Challengers known to exist that were built between October 11th, 1969 and April 15th, 1970. I have seen a few examples but they NEVER have a Broadcast Sheet or Documentation.




    I also found this paragraph written by Scott Smith.

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    There is no known transition date from non crush zone to crush zone cars. While it's the "norm" to see a 71 car with the crush zone style hood, especially later built examples, I've seen a fair number of 71 cars made throughout the 71 model year that originally had the non crush zone hoods. Since the Shaker Hoods were a fairly rare option I believe that they used whatever they had on hand, whatever was in inventory at the plants the cars were built at went on the cars regardless of the style they "should" have had.



    The two seem to contradict each other unless the factory had some left over NON crumple zone hoods that they put on some 71's when supply ran low. :dunno:
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #21 on: August 15, 2011 - 03:52:18 PM »
    I have read this thread before.  It has been questioned by many, why they started and stopped making the shaker hood.  It is known that Chrysler had trouble with other manufacturers who made parts for them...such as the shaker ring.  It is also know that the crumple zone time coincides with the time that the hoods were not made.  If they had to wait for hood that was made with the crumple zones, to make the shaker hood, they would have not had flat hoods available also.  They had flat hoods available.  No one really knows why the production was stopped.  I tend to agree with Scott on the hoods. Chrysler was just building cars to sell.  When you look at things from that viewpoint you can imagine the things that could have been done to get the car out and build the next one on the line.  Also when I gave the years for the different hoods, and crumple zones, I did not go into months. No one knows the date for sure, so I did not bring it up.  I was just answering HK's question.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #22 on: August 15, 2011 - 04:44:47 PM »
    So your saying that the factory took an already completed flat hood and turned it into a shaker hood?  That's the first time I've heard that. 

    If the factory did use flat hoods to make the shakers, and since shaker hoods with the crumple zones started to appear in April 1970, that means that there should be 2 part numbers for the flat hoods in 1970.

    All I was saying is that the crumple zone hoods started to appear in late 1970 and not just in 71.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #23 on: August 15, 2011 - 04:55:14 PM »
    I'm no help here, but my car is a March 1970 build, and the flat hood has no crumple zones.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #24 on: August 15, 2011 - 06:42:25 PM »
    Quote from: burdar on August 15, 2011 - 04:44:47 PM
    So your saying that the factory took an already completed flat hood and turned it into a shaker hood?  That's the first time I've heard that. 

    If the factory did use flat hoods to make the shakers, and since shaker hoods with the crumple zones started to appear in April 1970, that means that there should be 2 part numbers for the flat hoods in 1970.

    All I was saying is that the crumple zone hoods started to appear in late 1970 and not just in 71.
    I didn't say they took an already completed hood to make the shaker.  I lost all my information on stuff when my place was hit hard in the 2005 hurricanes.  I would have been able to go over so many things with you, had that not happened.  I was just trying to help out HK; not split hairs with you.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #25 on: August 15, 2011 - 07:10:04 PM »
    Thanks, 6pak. I think I have my answer; apparently all the center ribs are the same.
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    Re: Are there two different flat hoods for Challengers?
    « Reply #26 on: August 15, 2011 - 07:21:09 PM »
    Quote from: ChallengerHK on August 15, 2011 - 07:10:04 PM
    Thanks, 6pak. I think I have my answer; apparently all the center ribs are the same.
    LOL. 
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