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Offline cudasteve72

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Questions for my 416 build
« on: December 12, 2011 - 07:10:44 PM »
I'm getting into my build and thought i would reassure my self with some info.
Forged crank and Pistons are the strongest right?
how many cc's are stock 72 j heads?
What is the max compresion ratio for pump gas 91/92?
with a stroked engine what is a good cam?
etc etc?

what kind of power can I have cast vs. forged on a solid street strip motor?

Thanks for any help!
1972 Cuda Custom 70 clone  416 stroker 481/531 hp/
2006 Grand Cherokee SRT8 (daily)
1970 Challenger convertible 340 (Dad's)
1967 Dart gt slant six all original 40,000 miles driver but needs restoration (Brother's)
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee (wife's)




Offline femtnmax

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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011 - 07:57:46 PM »
Forged crank and Pistons are the strongest right?
how many cc's are stock 72 j heads?
What is the max compresion ratio for pump gas 91/92?
solid street strip motor?

Forged crank, rods and pistons are the way to go.  The stock J heads have open combustion chambers, and they can be ported to flow better, but because of the open combustion chamber you won't be able to build quench into the engine build, thus the engine will be fussy on the quality of pump gas for street cruising.  Proper quench also lets you run higher compression and avoid the onset of detonation.  More compression is more torque and Hpower.   Quench is the distance from top of piston to bottom of flat portions of cylinder head combustion chamber.  A measurement of 0.040 to 0.045 inch is considered good. 
Max compression ratio will depend on your elevation above sea level, whether you run cast iron or aluminum cylinder heads, and maybe how much street use the car will see.  For aluminum you should run about 1 point higher compression than for cast iron because the AL disipates heat much quicker than the iron.
I am running 10.8:1 compression with aluminum heads and 0.045 inch quench clearance;  the engine runs well on premium pump gas with no detonation issues at my elevation of 5000 feet.
Phil

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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011 - 08:47:25 PM »
J heads are 68 cc

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Offline cudasteve72

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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011 - 09:36:48 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290504254499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
This is the rotating assembly I am thinking I will go with. I will probably be going with a relatively stock head, and an air gap intake, for now any way. What is a good cam, I want to make the power and keep the drive ability ie vacuum.  what are your thoughts?
1972 Cuda Custom 70 clone  416 stroker 481/531 hp/
2006 Grand Cherokee SRT8 (daily)
1970 Challenger convertible 340 (Dad's)
1967 Dart gt slant six all original 40,000 miles driver but needs restoration (Brother's)
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee (wife's)

Offline PlumCraZRT

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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011 - 01:23:07 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290504254499?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
This is the rotating assembly I am thinking I will go with. I will probably be going with a relatively stock head, and an air gap intake, for now any way. What is a good cam, I want to make the power and keep the drive ability ie vacuum.  what are your thoughts?


Along the lines of what Femtnmax said, I think it would be worth investing in aftermarket and/or closed chamber heads to get quench (if you have the $$ to spend on it).

Additionally, I would be nervous purchasing anything like that on ebay.  I would want more information about the source of the parts before I dropped $1400 on it.
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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011 - 12:30:12 PM »
I've got a 73 340 complete with J heads to possibly build for my Barracuda,  but based on advice here I'm strongly considering storing the 'orginal' J heads and going with a set of the LA-X RHS heads shown at the link below: 

http://www.immengines.com/rhsheads.html

I would somewhat prefer aluminum for the weight savings, but again based on advice here the iron could be just as good, perhaps a little better for a street motor like I have planned.

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Offline cudasteve72

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Re: Questions for my 416 build
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011 - 02:11:24 PM »
Yes the ultimate goal is aluminum Heads but I want a stout bottom end now and add that stuff down the road.
1972 Cuda Custom 70 clone  416 stroker 481/531 hp/
2006 Grand Cherokee SRT8 (daily)
1970 Challenger convertible 340 (Dad's)
1967 Dart gt slant six all original 40,000 miles driver but needs restoration (Brother's)
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee (wife's)