Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???

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Offline 351c4v71

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Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« on: January 15, 2012 - 08:56:58 AM »
Hi guys, need you help on this one.
Got this set-up from ebay , manufacturer is MBM.
My problem is that it seems like I'm missing a pushrod of some sort between the master cylinder and the booster.
I can insert a pencil 2 inch deep in the master cylinder. However, the pin sticking out of the booster is very short, When manually pushing on the rod on the other side of the booster, this short pin comes out about 1.5 inches.
See the problem yet?
I've read on the net about master cylinder rods but not sure what to do .
Hoping someone here has had the same experience or can explain the short pin on the booster. I've seen similar boosters on google images so I assume it's not broken.
Thanks




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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012 - 09:19:03 AM »
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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012 - 10:00:24 AM »
There is a rod ( usually adjustable) that the supplier should
have given you with the kit. Phone call time.
If I cant fix it, it's broke
 
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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012 - 10:14:24 AM »
Emailed MBM brakes and was told I'd have to change the booster.
But I agree, there should be a rod.
Wrote again to MBM but to another person, hoping that this next one will know what he's talking about.
So far, I'm not impressed with their services.
I didn't buy sirectly from MBM or from an authorized dealer. I got it off ebay. So the rod could have gotten lost.
I just don't agree that the whole booster needs to be changed.

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012 - 10:18:43 AM »
Doesnt that master cylinder flange slide up inside that booster?  You did'nt get any mounting directions with the new kit? The rod usually unscrews in and out for length. I get in the shop, I will look at a stock set up I have on the bench , to see if I can help evaluate a bit more for you

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012 - 10:43:28 AM »
http://www.mbmbrakeboosters.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=26&func=startdown&id=7

May not need a rod , maybe the master will not be 2 inches deep after bench bleeding.

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012 - 11:14:07 AM »
I'll try it this way.
http://www.ehow.com/video_2327999_bench-bleed-master-cylinder.html
But seems like for this to work it still needs to go push into the master cylinder, which I think I can't dur to lack of length. I'll let you know if it works anyways.
I guess I'll be praying for bubbles ;-)

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012 - 11:17:44 AM »
I just checked this booster. the rod sticks out and longer than yours

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012 - 11:23:52 AM »
Moparal, Can the rod be removed and a longer one screwed in? Looks like the rounded pusher end has a wrench head on it. Whats the length of the pushrod in your booster?
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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012 - 11:50:27 AM »
Sounds like the rod may be adjustable!

 Came across a few forums where owners were asking about these being too long or too short!

From another site:
  Check Booster Pushrod Adjustment
The pushrod that actuates the master cylinder must be properly adjusted. Ideally there should be only slight clearance between the booster pushrod and the master cylinder pushrod. Interference will preload the master cylinder. When the system is preloaded, it builds pressure each time the pedal is pressed. Since the master cylinder is not allowed to fully release the pressure from the previous stroke, the system will eventually lock the wheels. Too much clearance will cause excessive freeplay in the pedal. In almost every case, if you bought your booster and master cylinder from us, we pre-adjust the booster pushrod and master cylinder for you so this is not a problem.

To make 100% certain of a properly adjusted booster pushrod for your master, we offer a master cylinder depth gauge (PN: CP2003) to determine correct pushrod length. The following illustration demonstrates the proper usage of this tool. First measure the length that the booster pushrod extends past the face of the booster with the "head" of the pin. on the tool. Then measure the depth of the master cylinder piston with the other end of the pin on the tool. If the pin hits or there is too much space on step two, then adjustment is necessary.

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012 - 12:06:31 PM »
MBM brakes COMMON ISSUE!! Ton of forums for differnet makes and models of vehicles refering to push rod adjustment and improper length adjustment. Yours needs to be adjusted 1/32" away from the master cylinder end. Some are adjustable by unscreweing the rod. Other are more complicated. Some were repaired by taking to a machine shop others by removing installing modified rods.

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012 - 01:03:19 PM »
Tried to bleed like on this link:
http://www.ehow.com/video_2327999_bench-bleed-master-cylinder.html
And just noticed the booster won't fit in the body booster braket.
Braket holes are 3 and 4/8ths apart, booster screws are 3 and 3/8ths apart like on this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-DUAL-DIAPHRAM-ZINC-POWER-BRAKE-BOOSTER-UNIVERSAL-STREET-ROD-TRUCK-HOT-ROD-/300648506306?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item46000c23c2
So maybe it's the wrong booster plain and simple.
Also, braket doesn't leave much space for the rubber dust boot.
I'll wait for answers from MBM and may just order a new booster and braket on ebay.
Thanks for all the help guys.


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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012 - 10:23:18 AM »
Yes!
Got this answer from Pirate Jack. They supply hot rod parts and other.

"There is an insert that goes into the bore of the master cylinder called a “bullet”. This allows the master to be used for deep hole applications (manual) and if you insert the bullet it can be used with power boosters. It comes in the box with the master. It has likely been lost along the way. I can sell you one for $3"

Now that's good news.

Now I have to figure out if the fact that the booster bracket squeexes the dust boot is a problem.

 

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012 - 12:20:20 PM »
Sweet looks like you are Git'n her done!! 8)

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Re: Help on this power break set-up!!! Anyone???
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012 - 10:51:19 PM »
as long as the dust boot can keep the dirt out you should be OK , glad you found the pushrod fix

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