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Offline 72cudamaan

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Fuel lines
« on: January 28, 2012 - 10:27:14 PM »
Didn't know of a better place to put this sooo, at what point or HP do you consider
going from a 3/8 fuel line to a 1/2" line? Just street use, mechanical fuel pump and 850 carb.
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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012 - 11:04:56 PM »
I Was able to run 12.0 @ 112 mph on a 5/16 line before I ran out of fuel in a 1/4 mile pass
so I went to 3/8 , if you do the Pi R squard you gain about 20%  flow so you would probably be running 10s to need more than 3/8 line , but you also need a strong fuel pump to push the weight if the fuel forward against the G forces as well

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013 - 12:41:24 PM »
do you need bigger then 3/8 line for 500hp?

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013 - 03:06:01 PM »
From what Chryco said, I wouldn't think so, unless you're racing and even then at 500 HP I don't think you'd starve the engine. I run a 3/8" fuel line to a mech fuel pump and a 1,000 cfm carb on a 543 with over 600 HP and I've not encountered a fuel starving problem.  :2thumbs:


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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013 - 05:08:21 PM »
I think my electric fuel pressure gauge was under $100. A valuable
tool, and it would certainly tell you if you were having fuel supply problems,
or any other problems, like clogged fuel filter, or fuel pump issues.
Just a small transducer that hooks up to the fuel line right before the carb,
and goes to a nice Auto Meter gauge.

Cheaper than running new fuel line.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2013 - 05:10:12 PM by cudabob496 »
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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013 - 05:31:43 PM »
I still have the 5/16" fuel line on my car with a 440. Street use only, but with a hi-volume fuel pump and an 850 CFM carb.

I have an internal fuel pressure gauge, so I can see if it keeps up when I nail it.    :burnout:  No problems.

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013 - 06:31:10 PM »
Ya, even if your fuel line could not keep up, you still got two big bowls on fuel on a Holley
you gotta empty first.  Fuel line diameter is only a big concern if you are
WOT for a quarter mile.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

Offline BS CUDA

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013 - 09:00:28 PM »
Ya, even if your fuel line could not keep up, you still got two big bowls on fuel on a Holley
you gotta empty first.  Fuel line diameter is only a big concern if you are
WOT for a quarter mile.

Yup - I run 1/2" line front to back with a 1/2" sending unit and a 3 line w/ return regulator but I am now being told a larger electric fuel pump is required to keep them full at continued WOT. 1 change always requires at least 2 more  :burnout:  Oh well if I wasn't creating reasons to work on the 'Cuda I'd probably be sleeping or something ridiculous.  :cheers:

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013 - 09:07:59 PM »
1/2 line holds a lot of fuel , you need a GOOD pump just to overcome the G force pushing back to the tank

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013 - 02:04:27 AM »
I've got 1/2 fuel line, but it comes out of a fuel cell in the trunk, so no serious concerns about
losing fuel pressure, especially with the fuel cell about 1 foot higher than the gas tank!
Since I don't "officially"race, its all probably overkill for the street.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013 - 07:56:52 AM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013 - 07:34:36 AM »
I have 1/2" supply and return lines. Using a Mallory electric pump, no problems so far.
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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013 - 07:54:08 AM »
of course, 1/2 inch fuel line is a waste if your sending unit is only 5/16 or 3/8s.
And, the fuel pump and fuel filter may also be causing a restriction, so that
you really don't have full 1/2 inch fuel line flow! Nother good reason for
a fuel pressure guage.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013 - 08:12:31 AM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013 - 01:43:51 AM »
thanks for the info guys. I think I'm going to buy 3/8 from Inline Tube. I'm using a stock fuel tank with a 3/8 pickup and an electric pump towards the back of the car. And a fuel regulator (with gauge) will be mounted on the inner fender feeding an 850 cfm.

Does anyone have a reason why I should also get a return line?
I was told the factory lines are a bear to put in, is that true?
How dose Inline Tube ship something that long?

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013 - 06:17:16 AM »
they fold the fuel lines in have with a gentle bend , they are not hard to install , , they clip along the frame , some electric pump require a return line + it keeps the fuel cooler , make sure you replace the pick up as well

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Re: Fuel lines
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013 - 07:30:53 AM »
on my 600+ horse setup, a mechanical fuel pump keeps the pressure at 6 to 7 psi all the time,
for my 850 Holley DP.  No need for a regulator or return line.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000