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Re: Career Options...Worried about this economy
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2012 - 01:49:31 AM »
Hard work doesn't really mean much anymore. Ditch diggers work hard and all they get in return is to stay in shape. Work smarter, not harder should be your mantra! Recession proof/bullet proof jobs would be something that is always in demand. Dentistry, as you mentioned. Or being a mortician. Or lot's of people have success in owning a bar. (people drink when they are happy or sad) Your political views might not be fully appreciated in, and may even be dangerous in a bar setting, though! As noted above, it's probably best to make your career something else besides your hobby. You need an outlet to escape from the daily grind, and you may soon find yourself sick and tired of your hobby in short order. When I lived deep down South for a few years, I noticed air conditioning service people were heavily in demand and were rewarded handsomely. Sometimes life will throw goofy little kinks in the best laid plans, and you may not even end up doing what you trained for/envisioned your self doing. Networking does help. Keep your ear to the ground and don't be afraid to explore new opportunities. I do agree that it's not the governments place to "create" jobs, and it would be best if they would just get out of our lives as much as possible and stop the insane regulation and taxation. Look for niches, find 'em and fill 'em. Maybe even join your local Chamber Of Commerce and meet some of the business leaders that are members and support your local community. Get your name out there, and let it be known that you are an intelligent hard working person that is looking for employment and giving back to your community. They often have business after hours functions, and it would be a great way for you to introduce yourself and make some contacts or even discover a mentor in a field that interests you. (lol, stay away from ins, and sales unless you are one aggressive HARD working person - or a major sports figure) Little things like that might really pay off in the long run. Good Luck!
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2012 - 06:01:13 AM »
My advice is to look ahead at where you want to be years from now, and work backwards.  Get to know people and ASK QUESTIONS.  It's better to be the inquisitive college kid while you still are the college kid.  Once you're out, they may be less patient with you. 

Also the sad fact in America is that there are not many people willing to engage in the political system.  Sure, everyone TALKS a good game but when it comes down to getting involved only the most determined do the hard work and get elected.  Case in point, a local girl got a Pol. Sci. degree and became an unpaid intern for the local state rep.  Over time she did the hard work, got hired as an aide and is now the State Senator from our area.  It was her passion to get elected and make a real difference, not just sit on the sidelines and complain.  Starting from her office and moving backwards, you can see the choices and descisions she made that got her to where she is.

As far as mechanics go, you need the same passion, but for cars.  Both careers offer low starting pay and slow advancement.  At the end of the day the question becomes, "do I want to spend my day in dirty Dickies, or on the golf course with the Sheriff, a Judge and a State Rep?

And I second the notion about hobbies.  I love working on my car, and friends cars too.  But if I did it for a living, I'd come to dread it as work and probably would sell the Challenger since it would be more work.
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Re: Career Options...Worried about this economy
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2012 - 06:05:33 AM »
  At the end of the day the question becomes, "do I want to spend my day in dirty Dickies, or on the golf course with the Sheriff, a Judge and a State Rep?

  If I was on the golf course with those Gents , (especially with the ones we got nowadays) I would know I was going straight to hell.

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012 - 10:22:48 AM »
A good read that has a lot to do with the philosophy behind this topic: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert Pirsig. Title aside, it's only marginally concerned with Zen or Motorcycle Maintenance. It's more about "arete," aka, excellence, quality, being all you can be.


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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2012 - 06:24:53 PM »
All great advice, really appreciate it fellas. Anyone here that has started a small business and had some advice as to how to get started, govt regulation in your way, and what you would change or do different? Being a business owner would be great, if you have the skills and know how to make it successful
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2012 - 09:35:11 PM »
I ran & owned an antique shop (1000 sq ft) for many years. A rather different dynamic than many other businesses, but I can tell you if you do start a business....start small. I've seen a few people bite off more than they can chew, become overwhelmed and end up going under. I think you mentioned on your web sight (nice web site by the way) that you did landscaping. I know a few folks that have done very well with a landscaping business. As I understand it, the money is getting contracts with large firms such as banks and business office complexes that need landscaping services. I live in Virginia and it was a pita doing/collecting state sales taxes. I did mine quarterly. It was time consuming and no benefits at all except that it was just something you had to do. Keep good records. Start out just a smidgon below your competition (price wise) and as you gain a reputation and client base, you can gradually demand a better price. Word of mouth goes a long way. I also did furniture refinishing and all my client base was by word of mouth only and I had more work than I could ever do as one person!! Heck a lot of small business owners probably didn't start out with more than maybe an initial $500.00 buck investment. I know I did. I took a tax return of maybe $1,500 bucks and started with a booth in an antique mall. Fast forward 5-6 years and I had my own shop with around $50,000 in inventory. With a little income & common sense you can do it too!!  :money:

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Re: Career Options...Worried about this economy
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2012 - 11:15:59 PM »
All great advice, really appreciate it fellas. Anyone here that has started a small business and had some advice as to how to get started, govt regulation in your way, and what you would change or do different? Being a business owner would be great, if you have the skills and know how to make it successful

 I watched John stossel go through the motions to try and set-up a lemonade stand in New York Basically it took , hoop after hoop,  months of paperwork, inspections, and permitting by the time it was running it was not worth doing it.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2012 - 07:57:44 AM »
I was employed as a mold maker/tool maker for 25 years at 4 different places over those years. Then the recession came and in a nut shell it all went to China. The government here in Ontario Canada had a program for laid off people to start your own business. It was excellent timing for me as one of my best buddies was retiring ( he is 72 now) and had the business I now have . I repair small engine equipment mobile ( I fix lawn equipment and snow blowers at customers residences) I usually am not a big fan of government but this was a great program for me. What they do is give you 20K paid out weekly over a year and you go to classes that teach you , advertising, book keeping, taxes etc.... It was invaluable to me and my family. At that time there were NO jobs around high unemployment , the only jobs around were burger flippers at minimum wage.
Having your own business has been very rewarding,you set your hours etc....I agree keep it small and simple.
It's a bit of an adjustment going from a steady paycheck to a roller coaster paycheck, but all in all I wished I'd  have done this years ago! I've been at this 3 years now and the money is not were I'd like to see it but it gets better every year so I'll stick with it for a few more before I decide what to do long term. Statistics say most companies don't make money in the first 5 years so I'm ahead of the game in that respect.
After 25 years of working for someone else, watching them get richer.....I figure your own business is the only way to have any sort of control over your earning potential?  Yes it does have bigger risks/responsibilities but also bigger rewards!
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012 - 11:36:21 AM »
I haven't read through all the replies here yet, so I apologize of this is a repeat. However, I tend to think the value of a college degree really depends on how your going to use it. In some fields, it is a necessary point of entry. In others, it matters little. Suffice it to say that statistically speaking, most holders of a degree will earn more over their lifetime than those who don't. That isn't to say that there aren't people out there who never finished high school who make buckets of money, but on the average, you will likely earn more.

However, as has been pointed out, don't go in to huge amounts of debt to acquire that degree unless it is something that will pay off well once completed, like computer science, health care, or something else that may be in high demand fields.   

At one time I wanted to be a teacher, but looking at their earning potential turned me away from it. When I started college I wanted to be a cartographer, but they asked me to sign a paper that I may never be employeable with such a degree, so I switched to business. In a strange twist of fate, with all the GPS systems and mobile apps out there, the foundations of cartography would have set me up up for a pretty nice job these days, but 25 years ago it wasn't so. Which actually goes to point out a issue that the best paying jobs in the next 10 years didn't exist 10 years ago. Predicting market trends to be in the right spot at the right time is almost akin to voodoo, but with enough research on growing fields, youcan shifts odds in your favor.

My business degree has served me well and allowed me to advance in the corporations in which I've worked. Is it an end all be all, no, but in a highly competitive applicant market, it has provided me with an edge.

If you really set on going on your own and being a small busienss person, a marketing education can be very useful. It helps understand some ofthe background in consumer behaviours, attitudes, and market research that can help you set the foundations of success for a business.

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2012 - 03:23:07 PM »
First off, congrats to app state for whooping our butts in baseball this weekend (LSU) you guys took out a top ranked team like it wasn't anything special.

Secondly, I agree with many others on here. If you are going to college, go for something worth while! The engineering field is BOOMING! Even in this economy, there is a huge void for engineers. The reason being, most baby boomers are set to retire soon, over 40% o the engineering workforce. That and many kids now-adays do not put forth the effort it takes to get an engineering degree. Those all night partying majors seem nice until you graduate and have nothing to do. I just graduated Mechanical engineering at LSU in 2010, after an 8 year stretch. I couldn't afford college, so I had to work as a mechanic while going to school and  taking a few courses at a time. At one point I really asked myself if it was worth all those late nights and ball busting exams.. And the answer is YES!!!!

I'm now a full time engineer with a job at one of the biggest companies in the world. I work 45ish hours a week and have my own office with a view. In the afternoons I go home, crank up my stereo and work on cars for fun. I'm not rich by any means nor can I buy a lot of stuff, but I'll never have to worry about having a job. It'll probably take me 10 years to finish my car and be able to afford it, but I'm ok with that. Life's about enjoying the ride and not stressing. My career helps me to do that even if it means I'll never get rich.


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Re: Career Options...Worried about this economy
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2012 - 03:46:44 PM »
 :iagree: mostly. One of my projects in Detroit, for Ford, was courseware in designing threaded fastener joints. I had two engineers as SMEs, and both of them told me that they had been in demand when they were hired.

However, what I also saw in my time at Ford was that nearly every engineer there was putting in 70-80 hours per week, and working through their vacations. They had been through several rounds of layoffs and buyouts, and the guys who were left were stuck with picking up the slack. Furthermore, Ford had for years practiced giving out common stock instead of bonuses. A lot of the people I worked with were in the Golden Handcuff situation, where they were counting on their stock value to be their retirement, and when things got really bad for Ford the stock value plummeted. Consequently, all these folks were working their asses off trying to restore their stock value. None of them were living a life at all.

Not saying don't do it; I still think it's a pretty good option. But pay close attention to the state of the company that makes you a hire offer.


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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2012 - 04:40:15 PM »
Seriously considering jumping to sports/nutrition... at least in US, anything touching peoples well-being, cash it 60-130$/hour to train people, help them with their weight problems and getting people to moooooove their arse. There's the money, THAT area will never die in the future but increase on an annual basis.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2012 - 06:07:41 PM »
An option I don’t think was considered yet (I tried to read all the posts, and I didn’t see this) Military Academy.  You get a college education and then you’re an officer in a military branch (hopefully AF).  Your commission commitment is (I think) 4 years.  If you like the military make a career out of it.  If not, well, you have an education and if you still want to start your own business, the military will instill the dedication and, to a lesser extent, some business common sense. 
As an officer, you will be taught how to supervise your troops and manage resources (Sound like running a business).  You’ll also learn a lot of peripheral activities that will do well in the “real world”; completing paper work, presenting briefings, praising/disciplining subordinates (without getting sued afterwards), and a bunch more.
The AF isn’t about causing destruction (per se) but rather, running an office.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2012 - 07:14:01 PM »
An option I don’t think was considered yet (I tried to read all the posts, and I didn’t see this) Military Academy.  You get a college education and then you’re an officer in a military branch (hopefully AF).  Your commission commitment is (I think) 4 years.  If you like the military make a career out of it.  If not, well, you have an education and if you still want to start your own business, the military will instill the dedication and, to a lesser extent, some business common sense. 
As an officer, you will be taught how to supervise your troops and manage resources (Sound like running a business).  You’ll also learn a lot of peripheral activities that will do well in the “real world”; completing paper work, presenting briefings, praising/disciplining subordinates (without getting sued afterwards), and a bunch more.
The AF isn’t about causing destruction (per se) but rather, running an office.
If you have questions, please let me know.
This is very good advice. The company that I work for places a high emphasis on hiring military and police officer personel. It carries a LOT of credibility. Just in case you don't end up running your own business.
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