Price for Non-#s Matching Challenger TA?

[TorqueChap]

Hi All,
Curious what a non-#s matching Challenger TA is worth compared with a #s matching one? (The tranny is original to the car.) How much would the price be discounted? The car's VIN is definitely legit as is the engine... only problem is that the engine wasn't in the car on the day it was born.

Is the discount as great as, say, a 318 car that now has a 440 block in it? If not, what percentage would you take off the price of a #s matching car to price a car and engine that are from the same model and year but non-matching?

Also, what is the current market pricing for a #s matching Challenger TA? High, medium, low?

Appreciate any and all thoughts!

[mikeljAAR]

According to Collector Car Market Mag, a #1 car is worth about $71,000, I assume that is condition only, not counting "matching numbers" (the real deal however would be more).  Restamps are far too easy these days, and sometimes if they say "matching numbers" that doesn't mean "the real deal" original engine, tranny, etc.

http://collectorcarmarket.com/menus/ccmprcs/70dochta.html

Fully "real deal" and freshly restored perfectly I would bet around $90-100K.  I think for a car like you describe, if it is fairly newly restored (not a ten year old job looking tired), maybe around $60K, plus or minus a few thou.  My 2 cents.

[Super Blue 72]

Hi All,
 The car's VIN is definitely legit as is the engine... only problem is that the engine wasn't in the car on the day it was born.

Hi and welcome! 

I'm a little confused by what you mentioned.  I can understand the VIN being legit, but what do you mean the engine is legit?  Is it a non-matching numbers T/A engine in there?  Not just a 340 with a 6 pack added, right? 

[TorqueChap]

Super Blue 72, thanks for the warm welcome. I've delved into all types of car marquees and the Land of Mopar is new to me!

Yes, the engine is a non-matching numbers TA engine. (Sorry for any confusion.) It's not just a 340 with a 6 pack. With this being a legit engine but not "born" with the car, how does that affect price vs. a full numbers-matching car?

mikeljAAR - you think that Collector Car Market's pricing doesn't take into account numbers matching?

[mikeljAAR]

Perhaps not fully, the condition is the main issue it is based on, I think the "real deal" original drive train would add maybe 20-25% to each condition value.  Also, the documentation is going to add value too, like if the original window sticker, dealer invoice, build sheet, first title and owners, etc.  I have seen very good condition restored as factory 440 6-pack Challengers (real V codes), real deal drive train, going for around $60K.  But T/As seem to be going for more these days.

[TorqueChap]

So with a TA that comes with the fender tag and build sheet... and a TA 340/6 pack but not matching #s to the car.... what do you think the discount would be from a fully #s matching TA?

[Cuda Cody]

Condition of the car is going to mater a lot.  There's also many other T/A only parts that could affect the value.  We need a little more info to help with a price.

[71gogreen]

ok,what if its a rebodied challenger with all the correct vin tags are placed to the rebody? this car is a complete rotessorie ta challenger? Its a 4speed

[mikeljAAR]

I would guess with you that all else being equal, documentation, condition, number of right parts, correct fender tags, etc. that the NOM T/A would be maybe 20-30% less.

[Super Blue 72]

Is there a differerent VIN on the engine?  Or is it blank on the ID pad.  Just wondering what happened to the original engine, and potentially wondering if this could be a warranty engine... 

[TorqueChap]

All great thinking and info, gents! (What a great forum!) The car is a solid #3. Will pull together more info and post shortly.

[challengermaniac]

Does it have both TA front fenders, TA steering box with the quick ratio pitman arm, original rearend, original fiberglass hood and hood springs & original TA radiator?  Is anything on the non #'s TA 340 original to this car?  727 Auto or 4 Speed?  I think we could pin it down if we had some pictures.

[TorqueChap]

Challengermaniac, awesome questions! (Great to have you on this thread.) Are these the most important features specific to the TA? Will be sure to confirm that they are present.

[mikeljAAR]

And don't forget the brakes and suspension are also special for these cars too.  Good luck.

[Super Blue 72]

TorqueChap, you might want to contact Barry Washington at the link below.  He is a GREAT source of info for these cars and his site is excellent for researching these cars.  Give him your VIN and he may even have some info on your car.

Did you alredy try to contact him?  I seem to recollect someone neededing his info on another thread... 

http://www.challengertaregistry.com/