Suspension upgrades

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012 - 07:17:45 PM »
This seems to sum things up.  Everything I hear about the Alterkation setup is positive other than it is relatively pricey.  I have the Hotchkis TVS + Firm Feel steering and they are a huge improvement over stock.  The PS box is heavy.  Think the Alterkation takes something like 85 pounds off the front end, which is significant in itself.  On the other hand, you can probably do the entire car with Hotchkis + Firm Feel for less than the front end only with the Alterkation.  If your budget for the entire suspension is $3000-3500, that makes your choice clear.  Haven't priced one out lately, but believe the Alterkation will be at the high end of that range just for the front?


Hotchkis TVS $3340
http://www.hotchkis.net/7074_dodge_challenger_tvs_system.html

Alterktion $4240
http://www.reillymotorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16184&cat=0&page=1

WOW bill had a price increase apparently; I didn't pay that much for mine.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012 - 08:40:15 AM »
Hotchkis TVS $3340
http://www.hotchkis.net/7074_dodge_challenger_tvs_system.html

Alterktion $4240
http://www.reillymotorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16184&cat=0&page=1

WOW bill had a price increase apparently; I didn't pay that much for mine.


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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012 - 11:51:13 AM »
I've been drooling over one of these for a long time but will never be able to justify it due to price. Seems to me that a lower price would result in  more sales and better business.
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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012 - 08:21:09 PM »
I am thinking I need to spend more. The Alterkation looks like the way to go. If I put in the front end and then new springs/ shocks and sway bar I could last a while before 4 link comes into play.

Mind you at this point and what I am spending thus far,,,,What is another 7K.
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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2012 - 08:37:19 PM »
The Hotchkis TVS set up does not cost that much at other vendors, Summit lists it for $2672.99, over $600 cheaper than Hotchkis sells it for!  :22yikes:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HSS-80111/

There's nothing "wrong" with the stock suspension design in my opinion. Using a balanced set up like the Hotchkis will give you handling results that will probably be difficult for most folks to tell apart from a complete replacement. As far as those go, the Alterkation is probably the best.

But, I really don't think its necessary. Installing the Hotchkis TVS, installing larger diameter torsion bars (~1", not included with the TVS), and upgrading to the later 11.75" mopar front disk brakes and 11" rear drums will give you comparable handling, still improve your braking, and cost thousands less.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2012 - 09:34:11 AM »
I agree with 72bluNblu, the stock set up is capable of a lot more than people give it credit for. IMO, there are onl a few reasons to convert to an Alterk; you want the quickly adjustable set up of coil overs, you want the reduced weight of coil overs, you want the wow factor of coi overs. Otherwise, they apply force to the tires the same as any other leaf, coil, or torsion spring.

Not mentioned in here yet is the XV level 1 kit. This is a revised combination of springs and shocks that will handle on par with either of the other listed kits, but does so using the stock layout and is actually the bargain of the bunch at $2250, http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/category/index.cfm?cid=2&lvl=1

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012 - 05:30:45 PM »
I read in another thread a while back that the Hotchkis tubular UCAs were a particularly worthwhile addition because they use corrected geometry to help keep the tires flat during hard cornering. Anything to this?


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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012 - 02:08:45 PM »
The control arm change takes anti-dive geometry out of the stock layout. Doing this changes the way the geometry changes as the wheel cycles through its travel. The Hotchkis design creates a more linear and predicatable change in geometry as the suspension is pushed further in its travel.  As a stand alone change, it is not a bad one to make, but it really shines with combined with the rest of the TVS and used on cars that are driven hard. If your car is a casual driver, the changes may not be as noticeable as one that gets leaned on regularly. One draw back to this change is that you need to step up t-bar rates to restore anti-dive control to the front suspension.

The big difference between Hotchkis and XV is their approach. Hotchkis achieves improvement through geometic changes and lighter weight components. XV achieves improvement through rates matched to vehicle weights and changing spring and shock motion characteristics to better compliment each other.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012 - 09:34:57 PM »
I also decided to go the Alterktion route.  I like all the stuff mentioned above, plus the extra room it leaves for headers and the starter.  Comes in handy if you're running a big block.  I also like how you don't have the big steering box there anymore.
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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012 - 05:28:10 PM »
AlterK is the way to go.  Almost 90lbs removed from the front, and EASILY changed back to stock if you wish.

I just kinda wish Bill would do something about how that square tube gets crushed when they bend it for the lower support.  It looks kinda uneven, but has no affect whatsoever to the function. Just pure aesthetics.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012 - 07:34:04 PM »
Hey. New here and wanting to get in on this one as this is one of the first things I will be upgrading. wanting the best bang for the buck and just wanting a fun driver with occasional drag and corner carving.

 Does anyone Have some skid pad or auto cross results from any or both of these combos? I know it's hard to be able to compare apples to apples here with so many different combos. I am trying to justify the added cost of the alterkation front upgrade and or keeping the stock k frame. Also things to think about... Am I correct in saying that you will have to get new brakes and spindles to go with the tubular k frames due to them using mustang 2 stuff? this is not in the cost of the kit is it? in keeping with the stock k frame and upgrading it saying you have a stock cuda such as mine... I would need the tvs kit or mix match, plus new torsion bars, a few misc bushings, new lower balljoints, new lower bushings, shocks, greasable pivot shafts, firm feel lower control arm stiffener plates, firm feel 2 stearing box and sector support.  "Aything I am missing?" I was also researching someones suspension tech where they went with the a body lca's and it would be interesting to see results from that combo and total cost involved.

Any info would be a great help. Thanks

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2012 - 12:11:42 AM »
I've never seen a comparison between all the various suspension setups.  For the best bang for the buck for true performance I'd say the Hotchkis TVS. It's proven to work extremely well (Hotchkis has done back to back comparisons with a stock suspension).  If you want just good street handling even a good rebuild with upgraded torsion bars and shocks would be a nice setup for cheap.

On the AlterKation you have to add brakes (it comes with the spindles).  There are lots of kits available at all performance levels for the Mustang II spindle.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2012 - 11:48:48 AM »
Skid pad info is out there but is not graphically posted and you will have to dig around to find it. In general, it equates to a stone stock set up coming in around .7 with  Hotchkis TVS and XV Level 1 both, depending on the reporting source, between .85 and .95 with their kits AND 17"+ wheels and tires.

IMO, the best bang for the bucks improvement is the XV Level 1 kit at $2250. Next would be the TVS at $3340, maybe a bit less if you shop around. The assumption with these numbers is that you start with a good solid baseline or you will also need to factor in the cost of replacing all suspension joints as well.  Alterkation will be above these in base price as I think their base package is around $4k and the more you option it up, the higher it goes. Now, I will say that the Alterkation is a very nice set up, and I may entertain a bit of envy about it since I can't afford it, but you can, IMO build the stock set up to handle just as well and the only thing you will have to give up to the Alterk is the lighter weight.

Another one to consider if you need to start at the rebuild level and want to stick with the stock configuration is PST. They offer not only hard part rebuild kits but also stepped up t-bars, leaf springs, tubular components, and other items in verious levels of kits that can save you some money on the overall objective.

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2012 - 12:13:18 PM »
What about Firm Feel? They specialized in Mopars and have a wide variety of parts to choose from (i.e. differenct diameter sway bars and torsion bars)?

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Re: Suspension upgrades
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2012 - 11:43:57 PM »
Im putting in my vote in for the RMS suspension. Wile we didnt do one in an Ebody we did one in a 69 Charger with a original 426. Installation was easy and didnt have any problems. Took a little wile to get it once it was ordered. But with the new suspension and that brick of an engine the car handles great and dont have anything negative to say about it.
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