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Offline Travis72

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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013 - 02:04:36 AM »
I just pulled my door window this week but I didn't see this thread until I had already removed the glass.  However I did take a lot of pictures of the re-assembly and hopefully they will be helpful to someone. First off I'm no expert at this..... in fact the only reason I've done this more than once is that I keep trying to get the power windows to work.  So this is just the method I use and I'm sure there are other ways to do this.

Keep in mind my car is a 72.  I think the 70's have different upstops and the 73 - 74 cars use round plastic sliders instead of the rectangular ones.  There are probably other differences as well.

Anyway, I hope no one is still on dial up!!!  If so I apologize!  :D

These are the reassembly pics so reverse the order for disassembly.  The main thing I do thats different than some people is I pull everything apart while the window is still in the door.  This includes the rear outside slider bracket (I don't know what the correct name is).  I think you can actually leave it attached but it makes it a tight squeeze to get the window out of the door and with a painted car and window tint it's pretty scary to me to pull the window out without scratching anything.  One other thing is I also removed the outer door/window seal.  Otherwise it's a tight fit to get the window out of the door.  Also note, that the first thing I did was remove the bottom rubber bumber down glass stop.

So when you follow this method this is the starting point for reassembly.



To further protect the car, I tape up the top edge of the door plus then taped on a movers blanket.



Back in the door I loosely placed in the front and rear window channels.  I also loosely bolted in the window mechanism to get it out of the way as well.



Then I lowered the window in to the door putting the front plastic sliders in to the front channel.  It really helps to have another person for this step (I had my wife help line it up while I slowly lowered the window in to the door).



Here's a picture of the rear outside slider bracket.  What looks like a little piece of rubber hose go over the stud to prevent the metal from making contact with the glass.  From the factory this side of the bracket was covered with some sort of paper gasket material.  Mine was deteriorated and torn.  So I used two layers of some really thin foam to takes it place.



Then with one hand I lifted the glass up from the bottom and used the other to place the outside slider bracket on to the glass.  It helps to have a person lift the glass for you, but you can do it by yourself.  I then loosely started the nut.  Note that under the nut goes a really thin plastic "washer" which again is to prevent metal to glass contact.  Make sure not to lose the little piece of rubber hose in this process.



Next I attached the bottom window channel to the glass.  In the front part of the glass a screw is used to secure the channel to the glass by threading in to a plastic "nut" that goes through the glass.  Note: in these pictures I'm installing an Electric-Life power window kit so the stock mechanism looks slightly different.



Then at the rear use another piece of the rubber hose to fill the hole where the bolt will go to secure the channel to the glass.



Another one of the thin plastic "washers" goes between the channel and glass.  Then a bolt secures it in place.  There is an access hole in the door that allows you to use a socket and extension.



Then the plastic upstop goes in to the top rear hole and a screw is used to lock it in place.  This is a pain to get to because there is not a lot of room to work, but I used this little thumbwheel screwdrivers to get it started and then finished it with a 1/4" drive ratchet attached to the thumbwheel.



If the plastic upstop wants to spin while you are tightening the screw, use vice grips or pliers to lightly hold it.



Now the hardest part of the install.... this whole time I had the rear channel just sitting leaning against the back of the door.  Now you have to put it in place.  It's a C channel that grabs the outside slider from the front.  So you have to maneuver the channel in front of the outside slider then move it back in to position so that it engages the slider.  It's kind of a pain and takes a minute but it still seems easier to me than trying to line all that up while lowering the glass in to the door.  Don't forget that the top of the channel goes under a lip in the door frame (I'll show that in an upcoming pic).  Anyway, when completed it looks like this.



Now install the bolts that go from through the bottom of the door and secure the front and rear channels.  Then the one allen head screw is used to attach the top of the front channel.



For the top bolt of the rear channel you can probably get it started with the window in the down position.  However to tighten the bolt you have to raise the glass up and you can tighten it through one of the extra holes in the glass.



With the glass about halfway up it's easy to then install the front plastic upstop.  Note: this is not the factory screw.  I couldn't find the right one so I just used a screw I had.



At that point make sure everything is snug and begin to adjust the glass.  Adjusting the glass is a pain and I'm not really qualified to do a write up on that.

Don't forget the metal upstop brackets (one front, one rear).  This is the rear one.



Because I was installing the Electric-Life kit the rear support bracket (the one that controls the tilt of the window) was already attached to the mechanism.  All I had to do was secure it with 2 bolts.  With a factory mechanism you'll have to insert the plastic slider in to the support bracket. It's been awhile since I've done that and so I don't remember the best time to to that.  I'm assuming it would be before the bottom channel is attached to the glass.

Anyway hopefully this helps!   :cheers:  Also, I'm sorry I don't know the correct names for all the parts.  If anyone wants to PM me the correct names I can go back in and edit this post.

Travis
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Offline elmoska

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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013 - 07:21:30 PM »
 :ylsuper:

thank you .. i have to do mine soon and this is gonna help me.
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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2013 - 05:01:55 PM »
This is going to be a very useful topic for me as I am in the process of working on my door and quarter windows.  I just discovered that I need the bolt (shoulder bolt) that attaches the bottom of the quarter window bracket/frame to the square slide.  Anyone know where I might get one of these?

This is the closest thing I can find.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Shoulder-Socket-Diameter-Length/dp/B001P5XAEW

I have attached a couple of photos showing one complete/disassembled slide with the correct shoulder bolt . Don't know if these bolts where used in other years/makes/models. Thanks.
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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013 - 04:10:28 PM »
Does anyone know where I can get the part that's circled?  It's an adjustable cam (stop) on the rear window regulator.  Don't know if the door regulators have these.  I have one regulator with the cam missing.  I'd hate to have to buy a used one just for the cam part.  Anyone got any spares?  Thanks.
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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013 - 08:36:41 PM »
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If you need more I wonder if they are available individually from R/T specialties. I'd ask Dave at Roseville first though Tom is next to impossible to get a hold of.
I got the ones that go from the window crank mechanism to the window channel on my 70 Challenger individually?


I called and spoke to Tom last week. Super nice guy. They have all the roller and stops and stuff at R/T Specialties.

Topcat, were you guys talking about the black felt on the guides?? I need some of that too. What 3M product is it you mentioned?

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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013 - 09:46:37 PM »
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I called and spoke to Tom last week. Super nice guy. They have all the roller and stops and stuff at R/T Specialties.

Topcat, were you guys talking about the black felt on the guides?? I need some of that too. What 3M product is it you mentioned?


3M calls it Scotchmate. you could try to call a specialty adhesive outlet or perhaps even an auto body specialty shop on something like this. explain your situation or call 3M direct who is the nearest distributor.

 http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/GovernmentSolutions/Home/ProductInformation/Online_Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GO250IANS2O1A3I71000000_nid=GSMSLT4DXPbe6J5LLFT0R1gl
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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2013 - 06:51:17 AM »
 Thanks Topcat. Looks like that would work or something similar.

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Re: Window Hardware List
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2013 - 08:52:46 AM »
Can "new" quarter window regulators be bought ?

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Re: Window Hardware List (Rear Regulators?)
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2013 - 06:00:08 PM »
I thought that maybe it would better to post here, rather than start a new topic.

Does anyone know if rear regulators are different between convertibles/hardtops, and/or between models, and/or between years?  I am noticing some differences between my two regulators, as-well-as differences compared to photos of other E-body regulators.  I've "annotated" the photos to better point out and describe differences.  Any help in identifying what's what is much appreciated.  Thanks.

The following 2 photos are the rear regulators I recently pulled out of my '70 Challenger convertible (right is passenger-side, left is driver-side).  I've circled and arrowed the differences.  Any ideas?






This photo shows the springs on the backside.





The next 2 photos were pulled from a recent ebay listing.  The seller's item description was as follows: 70 71 72 73 74 Dodge Challenger right rear quarter window regulator crank







The next 2 photos are of a member's regulators.





1970 Challenger Convertible (JH27N0B); Resto-Mod; 605 HP, 412cid Small Block; Holley 750CFM Carburetor; A-833 23-spline 4-SPD; A-body 8.75 rear-end w/3.55 gears; 3" mini-tub; leaf spring relocation kit with split-leaf mono and Caltracs; American Racing AR500 Wheels, Rears = 15x10 (5.5" BS) with 315/60-15 BFG Comp T/A Drag Radials; Fronts = 15x7 (3.5" BS) with 215/70-15 BFG Radial T/A Radials.

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Window Hardware List
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2014 - 05:38:47 PM »


Worst task I've come across yet, not as dirty as removing dynamat and undercoating but more unpleasant..

I like the idea of this photo, passenger side parts aligned out of the car... Hopefully this is close enough to be helpful.....

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