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Offline oneoff666

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Block Considerations
« on: May 04, 2012 - 11:09:29 AM »
Something i came across  hope it  helps some of you  cheers 
Practically no V-8 on Earth will cost you more to buy or build than an original Hemi, so it goes without saying that the very common 440 block is inherently cheaper. The thousands of dollars you'll save on using a 440 as a starting point is money that you can spend on things that you actually want to spend it on, like a 520-cubic-inch stroker crank or a turbo setup. An aluminum-headed 440 block also comes in several hundred pounds lighter than an original Hemi. Bear in mind, though, that you'll really need to rev the 440 to get it into the Hemi heads' operating range, so plan accordingly.


A 440 block may lack the cross-bolted mains and extra reinforcement that make a Hemi capable of withstanding thousands of horsepower, but the Wedge is no slouch where power potential is concerned. Even a garden-variety two-bolt main truck block can withstand over 800 horsepower, and an aftermarket four-bolt block can take as much abuse as any Chrysler motor. While 1976-and-later 440s have the thickest main webs and strongest blocks of all the engines in this displacement range, you might consider starting with a 1972 to 1973 400 block (casting number 3614230) instead. These blocks have truly massive main saddles, and are among the strongest Chrysler blocks ever produced, short of the Race Hemi. The 1973-only 400 (casting number 3698630) is good second choice if you can't find an older block, but its main saddles are nowhere near as thick.




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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012 - 01:52:05 PM »
Seems to me a 400 block with crossbolt mains would probably be the strongest (though I have nothing to back my statements):

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_1012_installing_pro_gram_mopar_big_block_main_caps/index.html
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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2012 - 06:04:38 PM »
If I were starting from scratch, I would look seriously into a GEN III HEMI.

The blocks are super strong and the heads flow like crazy.
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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012 - 09:02:38 PM »
Good info , if I was buying a new block & I would look at the World block 440 , crossbolted mains supposedly good for 2200 HP

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012 - 03:56:16 PM »
Good info , if I was buying a new block & I would look at the World block 440 , crossbolted mains supposedly good for 2200 HP

Interesting you say that, for the first time I'm considering one of these blocks since I want to build a bullet proof 600+ hp motor and keep hearing about issues with some of these older blocks that are only uncovered once you get them to the machine shop.  I'd 'like' to go with the correct year block, but not sure after its in the car anyone but me would appreciate the difference.  Any idea how 'stock' the World blocks look painted up and in the car with accessories, heads, etc. on them?

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012 - 06:46:14 PM »
I have seen the world blocks in person but I cannot remmeber exactly how accurate they look , I know the added metal is mostly internal but the outer finish may be smoother & would have the cross bolted main caps

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012 - 06:48:10 PM »

Funny how this topic comes up on the day I get my 1969 440 HP motor!

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012 - 11:42:20 PM »
What about a 400 B block (either the 230 or 630) stroked to 451 or 470 with Hemi conversion heads? Would this still be quite expensive?

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012 - 12:36:02 AM »
yes , the Hemi heads & related hardware + block mods get expensive
 I am not even sure if there is a low deck intake available for the Hemi heads

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012 - 12:44:43 AM »
Stage V has a picture of an intake for a 383 on their website but probably quite expensive as well.

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012 - 05:05:11 AM »
I have always thought this was a good read...


http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm


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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012 - 11:31:15 AM »
I have seen the world blocks in person but I cannot remmeber exactly how accurate they look , I know the added metal is mostly internal but the outer finish may be smoother & would have the cross bolted main caps

Thanks Chryco, I'd consider modding a stock block for cross bolts caps anyway (read a good article about this in Mopar Performance Mag) so if I do I probably should forget 'stock' looks anyway.  Besides, painted Hemi Orange engine block along with the painted stealth heads, its going to look mostly stock to everyone but show judges anyway.

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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2012 - 11:48:34 AM »
What about a 400 B block (either the 230 or 630) stroked to 451 or 470 with Hemi conversion heads? Would this still be quite expensive?

Don't know why I've never considered this before... A 451 low-deck hemi sounds rad!  :ylsuper:
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Re: Block Considerations
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2012 - 03:21:41 AM »
Don't know why I've never considered this before... A 451 low-deck hemi sounds rad!  :ylsuper:

I was kinda thinking the same thing. Compact, less weight than an original hemi and would even weight a bit less than a 440. It could be a pretty potent "little" package. And put on 383 badging :bigsmile:
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