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    Offline TROUBLE987

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    727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #75 on: August 06, 2012 - 08:55:23 PM »
    Quote from: ntstlgl1970 on July 01, 2012 - 12:39:58 AM
    I would add that any trans you do pick up should be gone through pretty thoroughly. On mine the case was cracked internally, wouldn't have caught that just throwing it in the car...
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    Isn't your car a big block car?if so how do you like it?
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #76 on: August 07, 2012 - 01:08:04 AM »
    Quote from: rb70 on August 01, 2012 - 10:53:01 AM
    ...<snip>...Right now I am taking the tranny back out (you do not know how much this pains me), ...<snip>...
    I know exactly what you mean.  When I was doing mine I ended up taking it out and putting it back in three times in four days trying to get it ready for the Spring Fling car show out here in LA.  I was physically a wreck at the end of that last install.

    So far the lashup is working great.  The OD works like a champ.
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    Offline buckyjackson85

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #77 on: August 07, 2012 - 02:15:22 AM »
    hey guys i have a few questions and you all seem to be pretty dang knowledgeable i have a 1988 Mitsubishi fuso fe434 it has a Chrysler transmission which i believe is the 727. I'm not 100% certain but I've been to two Mitsubishi fuso dealers and can not get any info on this truck other than a trans part number me601603 and they called it m2a3 they couldn't tell me or find parts or anything more than that. from everything I've gathered by looking at a million and one dodge forums  it is the 727 it has one 3 wire pig tail going to it for reverse lights and neutral safety switch. here are the numbers i found on the left side front PK3836130 9722 8169  these numbers i found on the tail section with a Chrysler stamp 3496595   and 11596. now this thing is screaming at red line at 60 mph it's a 3.3 diesel. if i were to put an A518 in it would it bolt up the same as this trans and because there are a few different config of bolt patterns and i'm not really sure which one i have. i just really need OD or something because hearing that engine run like that is like nails on a chalk board after a few mins going down the highway. this is a service truck and all said and done will probably be weighing in around 10k pounds. will the A518 hold up to the weight? also my tail section looks nothing like any i have seen for any of the mopars. the lock bolt for the retainer clip that holds the speedo gear in is all the way at the top where as the others i have seen are at the bottom. this truck is boggling my mind. i appreciate any help i can get.
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    Offline Haddixj

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #78 on: August 07, 2012 - 10:01:16 AM »
    Yes they can hold up. Early cummins motors used them. Just have a good diesel guy rebuild the trans
    Post a pic of the trans. That would help I'd it better or google the numbers you posted and see what you come up with
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    Offline bkilby

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #79 on: August 09, 2012 - 12:48:57 AM »
    Mark, if you're using a late model Hemi with drive by wire, you are running a computer too, correct?  If so, why aren't you running the 545RFE trans that comes behind the newer Hemi's?  I have a 2004 5.7 Hemi in one of my Jeeps and also use the 545RFE without issues.  It's all in the wiring and PCM.  Mating an old school transmission seems like way more work than using a late model, computer controlled trans.  I mean, you're already running the wires and computer so why not use the transmission too?



    Quote from: roadrunninMark on August 06, 2012 - 10:32:17 AM
    Just a quick question, how does the kickdown cable work if you are putting the A500/A518 behind a new hemi (as it is an electronic throttle pedal etc.)?  Does the cable hook to the throttle body?
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #80 on: August 12, 2012 - 12:54:06 AM »
    Quote from: TROUBLE987 on August 06, 2012 - 08:55:23 PM
    Quote from: ntstlgl1970 on July 01, 2012 - 12:39:58 AM
    I would add that any trans you do pick up should be gone through pretty thoroughly. On mine the case was cracked internally, wouldn't have caught that just throwing it in the car...
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    Isn't your car a big block car?if so how do you like it?
    I like it a lot so far, but if I had to do it over, I would go with a GM based trans like the keisler unit or a 5/6 speed manual. There is so little aftermarket support for these things, it's an exercise in frustration....
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    727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #81 on: August 14, 2012 - 12:36:21 PM »
    Quote from: ntstlgl1970 on August 12, 2012 - 12:54:06 AM
    I like it a lot so far, but if I had to do it over, I would go with a GM based trans like the keisler unit or a 5/6 speed manual. There is so little aftermarket support for these things, it's an exercise in frustration....

    Did you put fuel Injection on your big block?i would like to see some pics of your car too..
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    Offline roadrunninMark

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #82 on: August 26, 2012 - 01:22:37 PM »
    Hi BKilby,

    The only prob. with the new trans is that it doesn't fit in the tunnel and I do not want to cut it.  I don't mind "massaging" it some to fit, but I do not want to cut it up.  I would like to use the new trans!
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #83 on: August 29, 2012 - 08:56:14 PM »
    I didn't think about that part.  Looking at the trans I have sitting here, it does look bigger.  Next time I have my car in the air I think I'll take some measurements for my own curiosity sake.  Sure would be nice to use the newer trans though. 
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    Offline roadrunninMark

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #84 on: August 30, 2012 - 10:58:01 AM »
    That would be good, please post what you find out.
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    Offline bkilby

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #85 on: September 11, 2012 - 10:41:05 PM »
    Haven't had time Mark but just curious.....  Anyone else here going to the Fall Fling this year?  It's just over a month away.   
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #86 on: September 17, 2012 - 12:23:34 PM »
    Quote from: TROUBLE987 on August 14, 2012 - 12:36:21 PM
    Did you put fuel Injection on your big block?i would like to see some pics of your car too..

    look in the restoration pages, it's in there....
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #87 on: October 22, 2012 - 01:08:57 PM »
    I'm thinking of doing this swap in my 73 as well, just have a few questions. My car has a 1976 360 small block and a 904 with a stall and aftermarket flexplate in it now.
    All the 518s I'm finding are from 318 small blocks which I believe use different flex plates and stalls that won't work on my 360, is this correct? Should I keep looking for one hooked to a 360?
    And will my linkage from the 904 slapstick work on the 518? Or do I need 727 linkage?
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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #88 on: October 23, 2012 - 02:22:10 AM »
    Quote from: Ebody73 on October 22, 2012 - 01:08:57 PM
    I'm thinking of doing this swap in my 73 as well, just have a few questions. My car has a 1976 360 small block and a 904 with a stall and aftermarket flexplate in it now.
    All the 518s I'm finding are from 318 small blocks which I believe use different flex plates and stalls that won't work on my 360, is this correct? Should I keep looking for one hooked to a 360?
    And will my linkage from the 904 slapstick work on the 518? Or do I need 727 linkage?
    When I was researching this, the year of the tranny determined if I could use my existing torque converted, etc. 

    I honestly don't know what the linkage looks like from a 904...  there should be a way to compare them online to see if it is close.  Jack the car up and take a look as compared to the pictures I posted...  post what you see... it would be interesting.

    Alan
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    Hella H4 headlights on relays - 97 Dodge Avenger seats - Chin spoiler - Bumpers pulled in to ’72 offset

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    Re: 727 to A518 swap – a novice guide
    « Reply #89 on: October 23, 2012 - 08:28:28 PM »
    My car used to be a 340/904 with stock linkage from carb and the slapstick.  When I changed the engine to the current stroker, I changed the carb to a Holly and the kick down linkage to a cable.  The slapstick linkage bolted right up the the old 727 I had after the 904 as well as the A518 I currently have.  I don't know the answer to the flex plate and torque converter Q.  However, I believe you can use the same flex plate but not the converter.
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