Another house-another offer.

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012 - 04:01:08 PM »
Not a peep from you guys, but b/c Obama is black, he must be born in Africa.

How do you justify neither the left or right went after Herman Cain for his "roots" when he was a presidential candidate?
Its not because Odummer is BLACK, its because Odummer is an IDIOT.

Now don't you be the reason another thread gets shut down OK? As a business person I responded to the goings on in the foreclosure world because it directly effects me and my business. Romney (whom I've met, along with his wife) is a BUSINESS person and I'll be voting for him. Hopefully he'll get after HUD and the banks to clear their foreclosures ASAP so the country can start to mend financially, this toilet has to be flushed quickly before any part of our economy can begin to heal.

I won't be wasting anymore bandwidth replying to you on this topic. Its too boring  :horse:




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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012 - 04:17:43 PM »
How do you justify neither the left or right went after Herman Cain for his "roots" when he was a presidential candidate?
Its not because Odummer is BLACK, its because Odummer is an IDIOT.

Now don't you be the reason another thread gets shut down OK? As a business person I responded to the goings on in the foreclosure world because it directly effects me and my business. Romney (whom I've met, along with his wife) is a BUSINESS person and I'll be voting for him. Hopefully he'll get after HUD and the banks to clear their foreclosures ASAP so the country can start to mend financially, this toilet has to be flushed quickly before any part of our economy can begin to heal.

I won't be wasting anymore bandwidth replying to you on this topic. Its too boring  :horse:

Wow, you met the draft-dodging flip-flopper.  Want a cookie?  The same "business guy" (vulture capitalist) who wanted GM and Chrysler liquidated?  Wants to go to war with Iran (that will be good for oil prices)?  SHut the hell up then before spouting your hate w/no facts to back them up.  As typical of you teabaggers.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2012 - 06:26:03 PM »
So, let me get this straight.
It is a GOOD thing when someone loses his house so someone else can pick it up cheap. 
It is a BAD thing if the banks try to recover as much as they can, perhaps by waiting for a while. 
It is a GOOD thing if the real estate toilet is flushed...meaning more people out of their homes.
It is a BAD thing if the banks try to work with the homeowner to refinance.
It is a GOOD thing if you can get the house for 50% of what the bank is owed.

Seems to me that all these "good" and "bad" things will simply lead to more money going from the taxpayers to the banks to cover losses and more social problems with homelessness. 

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012 - 06:58:12 PM »
Foreclosures are necessary if a person has ZERO ability to pay ANYTHING (i.e. job loss, zero income).

However, I think it's unreasonable that a mortgage company won't let you RE-FI your EXISTING mortgage to a newer rate b/c your house is underwater.

In other words, say you had an ARM and it reset to like 7.5%.  Now your payments are like $2500/mo instead of $1500/mo.  Sure would be nice to re-fi, but you're unable to.  So now you can't make these new big inflated payments, so you start getting behind.

This happened to MANY MANY old, poor, and/or minority people who were in their homes, but predatory lenders came in with promises of 0% interest, low payments, what-not.

So instead, the lenders would rather foreclose.  Even if you're behind just ONE PAYMENT!

You guys who are just PRO-FORECLOSURE (like Romney) don't see the big picture.  Everyone's homes' values are in the tank b/c of them.  How is this a good thing?  There are literally ghost towns of new homes (like in Nevada).  Home values will take 10-15 years to recover, so many just walk away from their mortgages.  Again, NOT A GOOD THING!

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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012 - 10:05:28 PM »
So, let me get this straight.
It is a GOOD thing when someone loses his house so someone else can pick it up cheap. 
It is a BAD thing if the banks try to recover as much as they can, perhaps by waiting for a while. 
It is a GOOD thing if the real estate toilet is flushed...meaning more people out of their homes.
It is a BAD thing if the banks try to work with the homeowner to refinance.
It is a GOOD thing if you can get the house for 50% of what the bank is owed.

Seems to me that all these "good" and "bad" things will simply lead to more money going from the taxpayers to the banks to cover losses and more social problems with homelessness. 

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

It is a GOOD thing we all love E-bodies!!!   :bigsmile:

I was thinking along the same lines-better for the banks to work with homeowners then to have more vacant houses and familys with nowhere to go.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2012 - 10:44:39 PM »
I was thinking along the same lines-better for the banks to work with homeowners then to have more vacant houses and familys with nowhere to go.

Jeff, its not possible to work with homeowners who don't have jobs and can't pay any/the mortgage. Flush those properties now. If a bank wishes to re-write a loan that was legally entered into previously at a higher rate, that's the banks' choice. Because someone is 'under water' with their house is not my, the banks, or the gommits problem. You pays your money, you takes your chances. SO MANY people who couldn't afford the houses they had took out 2nd mortgages in an inflated market and bought other properties trying to be speculators and/or to flip for a profit. I don't feel sorry for these people.  Those of you making payments on your cars: your car is worth considerably less now than when you got it new. Do you have a right to go back to the finance company and demand lower rates or payments because your car had depreciated?

These properties in limbo are costing us directly or indirectly, a fortune. The banks have to keep up with insurance, taxes, mntx etc on properties that are vacant or non-performing, they need to be able to sell them for what they can get to clear their books. I'm trying to buy those properties, its not my fault the bank made a loan it shouldn't have, or someone speculated on a property they had no business tinkering with. But foreclosures need to be stopped now to make a sick market look better as the election nears. If I was a bank/lending institution sitting on a bunch of non-performa, I'd be pissed.....   

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012 - 06:11:16 AM »
Well I agree there are some houses that sould be foreclosed on if they don`t have a job and can`t pay anything,It is the ones who can still pay a lower payment to keep the house that the banks are working with-case in point, my ex wife got a loan modification.
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012 - 08:33:50 AM »
Loan mods are great if the banks want to do them, and in most instances they're in the banks' best interest (no pun intended) if the mortgagee is having financial issues. Banks don't want to own property, they're banks, they don't want to be landlords or land barons. The present mortgage climate hurts people like you who want to responsibly purchase property for a home and me who want to put more housing out there for people who need it. The big issue is folks who bought property, whether they could afford it or not, and entered into legally binding contracts agreeing to pay "x" amount for the mortgage. Now rates have dropped with some firms and those mortgage holders believe they're entitled to a lower interest rate just because. They've signed contracts, they're legally bound to them. So they threaten the banks with default if they don't get their way. In most instances the banks will agree since they, the banks, don't want to own property.

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012 - 05:38:30 PM »

Unfortunately those contacts are no longer the same (historically) with folks who are willing to "strategically" default now.

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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012 - 06:54:53 PM »
I had never missed a payment, and I tried for months to refinance my house when I had to leave it for work. Every time they had a different reason why I didn't qualify. At the end of the last call I said "Where do you want me to send the keys?" They were shocked.


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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2012 - 08:19:13 PM »
Jeff, its not possible to work with homeowners who don't have jobs and can't pay any/the mortgage. Flush those properties now. If a bank wishes to re-write a loan that was legally entered into previously at a higher rate, that's the banks' choice. Because someone is 'under water' with their house is not my, the banks, or the gommits problem. You pays your money, you takes your chances. SO MANY people who couldn't afford the houses they had took out 2nd mortgages in an inflated market and bought other properties trying to be speculators and/or to flip for a profit. I don't feel sorry for these people.  Those of you making payments on your cars: your car is worth considerably less now than when you got it new. Do you have a right to go back to the finance company and demand lower rates or payments because your car had depreciated?

These properties in limbo are costing us directly or indirectly, a fortune. The banks have to keep up with insurance, taxes, mntx etc on properties that are vacant or non-performing, they need to be able to sell them for what they can get to clear their books. I'm trying to buy those properties, its not my fault the bank made a loan it shouldn't have, or someone speculated on a property they had no business tinkering with. But foreclosures need to be stopped now to make a sick market look better as the election nears. If I was a bank/lending institution sitting on a bunch of non-performa, I'd be pissed.....

Well now that you explained your position a little better I`ll say I agree with almost all of it except that adding a lot more foreclosed homes to the market would be a good thing.Home values are already so low so I don`t think adding more trashed,vacant places to the market is going to help although I am certainly no expert in the field.
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012 - 09:13:38 PM »
Well now that you explained your position a little better I`ll say I agree with almost all of it except that adding a lot more foreclosed homes to the market would be a good thing.Home values are already so low so I don`t think adding more trashed,vacant places to the market is going to help although I am certainly no expert in the field.

Sorry I wasn't more erudite previously!    :cheers:

Jeff, there are so many homes in this country that need to be foreclosed on, its 7 figures. Until they're dealt with (ie flush the toilet) housing prices will never stabilize. The current situation is hurting more people than its 'helping'. People like you and me. The biggest ***** out there is a cry for "affordable housing" right? either to buy or rent.  The housing is there, there's plenty of it, its just waiting to be re-cycled through the foreclosure/sale process. But the gommit has put a stop to it for political reasons. Me? I can wait for the other shoe to fall probably by the elections, I own my home and other property that's already paid off. But for folks who are looking for their main investment, their "home", young couples who want to buy and start families, families who need bigger houses, older folks who to want to buy and scale down, -  responsible people, these are the people getting screwed, and its not fair. Its politics. If the housing market was allowed to 'bottom' once and for all, folks like you and me would get great deals and start over building wealth. I don't care what the present market value of my house is, its my home, its not an investment. Too many look at their homes short term now, not too long ago when a person or a couple bought a house that was "it", that's where they were going raise families and die eventually. Now people look at homes like a car, they'll always loose money.

You'll get your house Jeff, sooner or later. And it will be the PERFECT house at the PERFECT price! Be patient, if you can hang out without owning property for a bit longer you may be handsomely rewarded - I see a market just short of "buy one get one" at that time. And if people think they're underwater now, just wait....  But it will turn, it will take a couple of years, but it will turn. And this forecast assumes a pro-growth, pro-business Romney administration. If Odummer is re-elected, I see the same housing crash only it will be compounded by a complete economic crash of the country, even worse than it is now if that can be imagined. Houses, investment properties will be even cheaper! But, the banks won't be lending (because we'll be in a full blown depression) so no one will be able to get a mortgage. Cash buyers (like myself) will make out like bandits. And all that does is further the divide between the alleged 'classes' of people in the country. I want to see you and every other responsible person in this country be able to buy the home of their dreams and keep it by staying well employed. Neither is possible with the current administration, that should be obvious to anyone.

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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012 - 10:38:07 PM »
More mis-informed ignorant statements coming from the right-wingbats.

Foreclosures has NOT stopped!  SHow me proof!

I guess you guys think foreclosures are a GOOD thing?  Hello?  How are your property values doing?

Never said anything about the foreclosures stopping.  Only mentioned that sales on foreclosed homes have been put on hold and that sales of homes have gone up because they have not been selling foreclosed homes.  Not sure how reliable the source is, but it is from someone whom works for a title company.   Read it before you freak out and get on the defense!   Remember this, "shut the hell up before you start spouting your hate....", ignorance at its finest.  But you are obviously one of his constituents and feel the need to call us all racists, teabaggers, and right-wingbats....as well as make your own thoughts for us.  Might as well tell us what to do nad when we can do it!
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2012 - 11:23:49 PM »
Never said anything about the foreclosures stopping.  Only mentioned that sales on foreclosed homes have been put on hold and that sales of homes have gone up because they have not been selling foreclosed homes.  Not sure how reliable the source is, but it is from someone whom works for a title company.   Read it before you freak out and get on the defense!   Remember this, "shut the hell up before you start spouting your hate....", ignorance at its finest.  But you are obviously one of his constituents and feel the need to call us all racists, teabaggers, and right-wingbats....as well as make your own thoughts for us.  Might as well tell us what to do nad when we can do it!

I'll cease the political banter if you guys who dominate this website will cease all this "blame Obama on everything including the bunion on your foot" attitude.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012 - 07:48:35 AM »
Part of my problem is I can`t be patient and wait due to my "situation" with the ex and the house.I won`t go into all the details here but suffice to say I need to find something to buy soon or I may be screwed for a few years.
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